Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 03-06-2011, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
33,544 posts, read 37,145,710 times
Reputation: 14001

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by azriverfan. View Post
This has been my experience with Canadians. Basically the ones who can afford healthcare in this country will elect to partake in it because it is simply superior here. Those who can't afford it will take whatever Canada gives them.
No, you are believing a fallacy...US health care is NOT superior. Perhaps it once was, but those days are gone.

In the World Health Organization's rankings of health care system performance among 191 member nations published in 2000, Canada ranked 30th and the U.S. 37th, while the overall health of Canadians was ranked 35th and Americans 72nd.....Take note that this was in the year 2000, and Canada's health care has improved since then...Has yours?

U.S. health care lies about Canada - Diane Francis (http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/francis/archive/2009/05/12/health-care-lies-about-canda.aspx - broken link)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 03-06-2011, 08:52 PM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
3,857 posts, read 6,958,589 times
Reputation: 1817
Quote:
I am not certain that there are *that* many empty beds in the US, either.
Why would a recession lead to empty beds? Americans are out of work and/or have reduced income and can't afford surgeries - so they are going without? Hobbling around because they can't afford treatment? That's not a ringing endorsement of the US system.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-06-2011, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
33,544 posts, read 37,145,710 times
Reputation: 14001
An interesting comparison between the US heath care system and Canada's.
How the U.S. measures up to Canada's health care system | Worldfocus
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-06-2011, 09:13 PM
 
11,155 posts, read 15,708,272 times
Reputation: 4209
Quote:
Originally Posted by camping! View Post
Shhhh, this doesn't play into the universal health care playbook. Let's all repeat together "Canadas system is far superior to the US system and the closest to heaven on Earth".
I don't think anyone says that. The US health care is the best in the world for those who can afford the best aspects of it. Where the Canadian system is better is in providing good coverage for everybody. We have failed miserably at that in the US (we've been ranked 39th overall).

So, it's logical that the wealthier Canadians would pay for an upgrade to the best of the best aspects of our health care, and it's also logical that many would see their system as superior in providing good coverage to all residents.

The key effort of Obama's Health Care Law was to maintain the best for those who can afford it and filling in the gaps to get decent coverage to those who can't.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-07-2011, 09:13 AM
 
1,733 posts, read 1,822,710 times
Reputation: 1135
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluefly View Post
I don't think anyone says that. The US health care is the best in the world for those who can afford the best aspects of it.
An unfortunate fact there is that "those who can afford the best aspects of it" sometimes include citizens of UHC nations who where the average citizen can get access to the best the USA has got if it is medically necessary.

It does not include the average American, where access is prioritized by insurance and wealth. It is an unfortunate setup where the "best" can be more available to foreigners than Americans.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-07-2011, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Midwest
38,496 posts, read 25,820,712 times
Reputation: 10789
Quote:
Originally Posted by mohawkx View Post
It might be a small trickle, but it is by no means a flood.
And most of them go to the Mayo Clinic as do many Americans from all over the US.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-07-2011, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
31,767 posts, read 28,822,592 times
Reputation: 12341
Quote:
Originally Posted by azriverfan. View Post
This has been my experience with Canadians. Basically the ones who can afford healthcare in this country will elect to partake in it because it is simply superior here. Those who can't afford it will take whatever Canada gives them.
The problem here is not health care providers but health insurance companies. Anyway, the Canadians you speak of, are still being covered by their government. Meanwhile in Arizona...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-07-2011, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
20,892 posts, read 16,080,363 times
Reputation: 3954
Quote:
Originally Posted by camping! View Post
Why copy an imperfect system?
Because the system you're replacing with it is worse.

Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-07-2011, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
20,892 posts, read 16,080,363 times
Reputation: 3954
In 2007, an estimated 750,000 Americans traveled to other countries (like India, Thailand and Mexico... yes, Mexico) for health care.

In contrast, only about 1/10th of that number came here from all over the world.

http://www.ipa.org.au/library/59-4_HANSEN.pdf
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-07-2011, 09:56 AM
 
14,247 posts, read 17,924,929 times
Reputation: 13807
Quote:
Originally Posted by HistorianDude View Post
Because the system you're replacing with it is worse.

I don't think copying another system is a solution. But some of the practices in the US system are madness and need urgent attention. For example:

"Steffie Woolhandler and David Himmelstein of Harvard did a study comparing Canada and the U.S. looking at what it costs employers, providers, doctors and hospitals and the insurance mechanism and compared Canada and the US, and they found that we in 1999, spent $300 billion on administration for all these three functions, and that was about 24 percent of national health spending"

How the U.S. measures up to Canada's health care system | Worldfocus
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:42 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top