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I agree. "Chick flicks" tend to really have nothing of appeal to me. Neither do action movies. Both are equally mindless and stupid. Both to me watched by people whose brains are incapable or unwilling to fully engage their actual potential.
Both have frills and shiny baubles to distract from terrible acting and appalling lack of plot and terrible scripts. Granted the frills are louder and shinier in male dominated films but they are still frills at the end of the day.
I love a good war movie for example but anything with Arnie or Stallone in it, I think not. And a good love story can be appealling as long as it is not derivative, cliche, hackneyed and mindless. Which 99% of them are. Anything which lacks wit is pretty off putting generally speaking.
There is a reason why a lot of "action movies" guys tend to like their women "pink", bimboesque and simpering, their intellects tend to match.
Himbos meets Bimbos , the match made in heaven. I always thought GI Jo was a far better companion to Barbie than Ken ( who is so obviously Gay).
Nothing threatening about a DDD cup and an IQ the size of a dessicated pea pod for the man who thinks he is "all that".
Intelligent women tend to frighten many men, I find it telling personally.
The "tougher" the man thinks he is ( emphasis on "thinks he is") the more scared he runs of intelligent and independent women it seems.
I have no interest in he-men because what interests me in other human beings is the sixe of their intellect not their pecs. I don't think I ever met an intelligent man who felt threatened by an intelligent woman. An intelligent person is always happy to have someone of equal mental stature to have interaction with.
Which is why I prefer Oxford to Venice Beach when it comes to men... You can be valued regardless of whether you have ovaries or not. Even in Oxford some men find it hard to swallow that some women are intellectually their equal and often their "superior".
I have seen so many intelligent women demean themselves and play the Bimbo to be attractive to guys and I find it nauseating. It is so abasing to have to bat your eyelashes and play the little helpless creature who is a little dim simply so a guy does not run the other way.
Any man who cannot handle an intelligent and strong woman is not a man. Pure and simple.
A real man does not have a problem with a woman who can stand up for herself and is still feminine without compromising her intellect.
Having to stoop down to insulting intelligent women who know their worth is a sure sign of deep insecurities IMO and terrible weakness.
One can be very feminine AND a feminine. I would consider myself very feminine ( not in a girly way which people seem to equate) and a feminist .
I am a feminist because I was born with a brain and logic , rational thinking and intellectual reasoning has shown to me that in life women have as much to contribute and are as capable and as such deserve equal rights.
I have no desire to emasculate men, I do not consider myself superior to them and I find men bashing women tedious and quite frankly boorish.
Strident feminism has been in many ways counter productive in trying to draw lines of battle between the sexes when to me Feminism is simply to be able to work together and make the best of life we can , both sexes working in unison not discord.
To be fair to many strident feminists though, the struggle was a necessary one and the rights we have achieved would have never been granted to us had we not fought tooth and nail for it. The status quo needed to be challenged and I am grateful that women ( and enlightened men) around the world fought for rights I now enjoy.
That fight was a long and arduous one and still needs a few more battles to be won. Had we also not challenged child labour, or slavery those repugnant pratices would still be happening today.
Why would people who have enjoyed power since the dawn of time relinquish it if nobody forced them to ? Rights can only be gained by us demanding them. We have to fight for them and that sometimes requires behaviour which some people might find unattractive.
I love men. If anything I generally prefer men to women but I do not see why having "innies" as genitals makes me less of a human being, less deserving of respect and less able to function in society.
We should be embracing our differences not trying to catalogue the other sex's faults.
This should not be a war but an opportunity to understand each other and get to grasp with what we ALL have to offer.
Feminism should be seen as progress, as a given right and an opportunity for ALL not a danger to the very fabric of society.
Women like men are individuals. Feminists come in all shapes, sizes and types from the stay at home Mom with Kids to the Neuro-Surgeon in charge of a Hospital .
Every woman should be a Feminist because anything else is simply stupid.
Women ARE the equal of men and deserve to be treated with equal respect and equal rights.
To me any woman with even a modicum of intellectual spark cannot fail to be a feminist, anything else is simply being masochistic and having no sense of self worth.
This entire post is excellent. I agree. ( except, sometimes I still watch stupid chick flicks )
This entire post is excellent. I agree. ( except, sometimes I still watch stupid chick flicks )
I think we all watch stupid flicks , sometimes a little light relief is just what the doctor ordered as long as it's not the only thing people enjoy I have no real issue with it !
How to tell a woman is a feminist?
A feminist is nice because she wants to be. If she is explicit or blunt, it might come across as aggressive, but she is still being nice because she is letting you know what you need to know about her. However, some women may not be as explicit or blunt. They don't want to be rude to you (but some guys interpret this niceness as flakey, dishonest or up for negotiation. Then they wonder why women are no longer "nice.")
I find many feminists harsh and arrogant frankly. A lot of them are out of touch with their feminity. I use to belong to a running group and we had the typical prototype feminist as a member. She was really not an enjoyable person to run 10 miles with lol.
The problem comes with the next wave of feminism in the 1980s. Here, feminism begins to shift away from the clear cut notions of civil rights and economic parity; and moves towards a much more abstract socio-political agenda. Some of the third wave feminists began to pursue misandry, female supremacism, censorship, the attempted control over the consensual sexual behavior of others, and the notion that gender identity is an artificial construct designed to subjugate women. The broadened scope of feminism also gave way to increasing disagreement among feminists. The "Feminist Porn Wars" in the early 1980s was an often-bitter argument between feminists who saw heterosexual expression as liberating, and those saw it as degrading.
Is it ALL awful? I don't like extremes like female chauvanism, however, I suspect it's point was well matched by their male chauvanist counterparts. I hope you'll note those ragging on women most in this thread are those still obsessed with controlling women to secure a false identity for themselves. See how that works (on both sides of extremes)?
I think men should have a healthy fear of women. It might make them think better of taking a swing at me. One name strikes fear in the hearts of men-- Lorena Bobbit. It's so much nicer when Mr and Mrs Smith are on the same side, isn't it? SO... now men have a benchmark for what to be grateful about. Women can be grateful they're not married to a slob in a wife beater T and men can be grateful they weren't forced by dad's shotgun to marry Rosie O'Donnell. hahhahahaha
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There were ruptures in feminist solidarity as recently as the last presidential election. Some feminists supported Obama because he seemed more attuned to feminist economic goals. Others saw in Hilary Clinton, the potential ultimate symbol of feminist success.
Ruptures in solidarity to what precisely? I truly did see presidential potential in Hillary but if she wasn't the best candidate to attend to what was most needful for our country I'd rather she not be in the job. Obama was the better strategist and on that point he won the primary. Palin is a defective male and a despicable human being. You had it right about the MLK sentiment because content is everything.
It doesn't surprise me in the least men would vote for Palin. These are the same men who'd get blown away by the chick with a sawed off shotgun running down her leg in arms training judgmental exams. I spotted her every time. They, however, had a gaping blind spot because she was in a bikini. They also tended to confess everything they were doing to the nice law enforcement lady because her male counterparts were wearing a black hat and they thought I'd be the addle brained soft target to sell sob stories. Their own prejudices are handicaps. The boss that doesn't take my abilities seriously loses more than he ever dreamed when I kick him where it counts working for his competitor.
Yes, I can be sweetness and light. I'm capable of extraordinary compassion. I'm capable of many things. People decide who they'll meet based on how they treat me. Take a swing at me I'm tossing you into a wall. Be a gentleman, find out how gracious I can be.
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Feminism is all over the place politically and socially. There are feminists who have made the world a better a place for women and men alike. There are also those who have driven a wedge between the sexes that may take generations to remove. That's what makes it such a complex, and for us men, frustrating thing to deal with.
The only wedge there is to remove is the one warping gender definitions. It hurts both parties equally if only they'd see that for what it is. War waged on womankind must end because the more they rob women of their worth, the poorer they become one way or another even when we haven't a hand in it (presuming vengeance). Call it divine providence. Call it karma. It always boomerangs right back to them one way or another. Every ounce of energy they waste on this nonsense = their own lives squandered.
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The numerous sub-movements within feminism, and the ability of feminists to strongly disagree with one another, is perhaps the greatest testament to its success.
I agree on this but note how your final statement contradicts your previous paragraph about solidarity. Are women equal to men? Sure they are. There are box of rocks women out there sure as there are male box of rocks. Palin... lipstick on a pig. That doesn't make me a traitor to my gender agreeing. When Dubbya's silver foot is in his mouth men don't think twice about criticizing his moronic attitudes or conduct based on gender. They base it on party loyalty (another gaping blind spot). Is there economic and legal equality going on? No, not nearly as much as there ought to be at this late date in American history. Womankind is still considered an afterthought in much of policy making despite our super majority status. Enough with walking in ditches to compensate for some guys ego.
A feminist is nice because she wants to be. If she is explicit or blunt, it might come across as aggressive, but she is still being nice because she is letting you know what you need to know about her. However, some women may not be as explicit or blunt. They don't want to be rude to you (but some guys interpret this niceness as flakey, dishonest or up for negotiation. Then they wonder why women are no longer "nice.")
Feminists aren't direct and blunt. For example in the workplace, there are women who can talk "man-to-man" about things -- whether it's work performance or just general conversations. Not the feminists however. They are ultra-sensitive and more likely than anyone to go crying to HR. And if they are in supervisory positions, they are worse to work for because they're so uptight about every little thing.
Feminists have no sense of humor, something normal women and most men have. In the workplace, feminists are the most uptight, neurotic types out there. The only exception can be the more mannish lesbians but they don't generally hate men since they are trying to be just like men.
I think men should have a healthy fear of women. It might make them think better of taking a swing at me. One name strikes fear in the hearts of men-- Lorena Bobbit.
Lorena Bobbit? The hero of the feminists? Wonder why.
Now a normal woman being cheated on would have just packed his bags and thrown them out the door.
Would you admire a man who carved out the vagina or cut off the breasts of a cheating spouse? So much for that part about feminists being against domestic violence. Apparently it's great when a feminist is mutilating a man.
BS, I'm old enough to have 22 years on my wife. I know more than you would like to hear maybe?
Has a roving gang of rabid feminazi's jumped you in the street for marrying a woman young enough to be your daughter? Or were there make- up- your- own- facts social conservative women gossiping about your motives for marrying your bride? Which is the more plausible scenario in all your vast years of experience? Be honest!
I find many feminists harsh and arrogant frankly. A lot of them are out of touch with their feminity. I use to belong to a running group and we had the typical prototype feminist as a member. She was really not an enjoyable person to run 10 miles with lol.
So you don't believe women should be able to vote, get equal pay, or own property because you met ONE woman you didn't like.
(she could probably run faster..LOL! and THAT was the problem)
YOU don't know any "typical" feminists because there aren't any.
Feminists aren't direct and blunt. For example in the workplace, there are women who can talk "man-to-man" about things -- whether it's work performance or just general conversations. Not the feminists however. They are ultra-sensitive and more likely than anyone to go crying to HR. And if they are in supervisory positions, they are worse to work for because they're so uptight about every little thing.
Feminists have no sense of humor, something normal women and most men have. In the workplace, feminists are the most uptight, neurotic types out there. The only exception can be the more mannish lesbians but they don't generally hate men since they are trying to be just like men.
There. Now you are dealing with the real world. Any questions?
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SO... now men have a benchmark for what to be grateful about. Women can be grateful they're not married to a slob in a wife beater T and men can be grateful they weren't forced by dad's shotgun to marry Rosie O'Donnell. hahhahahaha
