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Old 03-10-2011, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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LOL! When city councils fail in their fiduciary responsibility, they lose the right to govern. (this appears to an opinion as it seems there is disagreement. You appear (at least on the surface) to be supportive of city councils who destroy cities and run their finances into the ground…

Fact Bammer does indeed support Card Check and thus does indeed support efforts to strip voting rights from citizens….

Third, this tread is about Grownups (read republicans) fixing what the children (read liberals) have done…. We can therefore project and by doing so clearly see that this thread (about children) is really about Mr. Obama…
When city councils fail in their fiduciary responsibility, they are subject to being voted out of office, they don't lose their right to govern because a Fascist Governor decides to put a corporation in their place. And if that failure is a result of corruption, they are subject to prosecution by the state. That should be sufficient power for those who supposedly support smaller government. Guess we've exposed that lie, as well.

You appear to be supportive of Fascists running rough-shod over citizens' rights.

This thread is not about Barack Obama and your entitlement to "project" it there ends with the TOS.
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Old 03-10-2011, 12:48 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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There are lots of cities in america that were dependent on one industry and continue to thrive after that one industry spread out into other cities..

Pittsburgh a prime example.. old steel mill town.. thriving without steel mills.. Did it take some time.. yep.. How much time does Detroit need?
How long did it take Pittsburgh? And was it really as completely dependent on steel as Detroit on the auto, didn't the steel industry have a bit more spread in OH, PA, etc.? I don't know about steel but the auto industry has so many ancillary industries in the Detroit area its influence runs deep. I can't remember the details but I read an analysis one time that was amazing, it talked of the auto industry and the other businesses it affects down to the little Mom & Pop luncheonettes that feed the workers, I believe the number was more than 50% of jobs were directly affected by the industry.
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Old 03-10-2011, 12:49 PM
 
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The state TAKING OVER and dismissing ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES is always a bad thing.
And yet no response from you in regards to the NUMEROUS Democratic Governors taking over cities..

But wait.. STOP THE PRESSES... you remember THIS statement?

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  1. Democrats passed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act, ending government bailouts of the financial sector.
You think its ok for government to take over PRIVATE businesses, but not other cities that are insolvent? Explain this to me...
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Old 03-10-2011, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Fact: City Councils and School Boards got elected, too.

Fact: PRESIDENT Barack Obama didn't STRIP VOTING RIGHTS of individuals and turn over control of their cities to CORPORATIONS.

Fact: This thread isn't about PRESIDENT Obama.
Who is stripping voting rights from people?

I have yet to see where corporations are being installed to fix the mess the dems/libs have created in this state.

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And yet no response from you in regards to the NUMEROUS Democratic Governors taking over cities..
Yeah, why all of a sudden the outrage that has been going on for years?

Could it have anything to do with the leftist's narrative about the GOP's national strategy on union busting, taking away rights, destroying people?
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Old 03-10-2011, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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So you think people should sue Obama "czars" because they clearly are not elected positions..
If they start governing, I would be opposed to it. But that is not the case. Unlike the czars YOU'RE supporting.

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Because Czars are immune from being personally sued because they represent government...
But you said the governor wants to protect his czars from lawsuits by citizens. Please make up your mind first.


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Not all judges are elected, yet they are immune.
Trustees are not elected, they are immune
Do they have the power to make policy changes, and govern elected officials?

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And the policy limiting lawsuits goes back even further than the EFM.. The Federal Government passed the Federal Tort Claims Act going back to 1948
I ask again, if the governor is pushing only for a "status quo" for his czars, a law that already exists, is he doing so as a pastime?
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Old 03-10-2011, 12:52 PM
 
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When city councils fail in their fiduciary responsibility, they are subject to being voted out of office, they don't lose their right to govern because a Fascist Governor decides to put a corporation in their place. And if that failure is a result of corruption, they are subject to prosecution by the state. That should be sufficient power for those who supposedly support smaller government. Guess we've exposed that lie, as well.

You appear to be supportive of Fascists running rough-shod over citizens' rights.

This thread is not about Barack Obama and your entitlement to "project" it there ends with the TOS.
Jill, in fact they do... here in Texas the city of Wilmer had their school district taken over by the state because they were utterly failing the kids.

when they failed to improve things during a probation period, the district was folded into the Dallas ISD.

It happens. it also happens in places like New York with a democrat gov.

those are actual facts.

your outrage is misplaced.
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Old 03-10-2011, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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When city councils fail in their fiduciary responsibility, they are subject to being voted out of office, they don't lose their right to govern because a Fascist Governor decides to put a corporation in their place. And if that failure is a result of corruption, they are subject to prosecution by the state. That should be sufficient power for those who supposedly support smaller government. Guess we've exposed that lie, as well.

You appear to be supportive of Fascists running rough-shod over citizens' rights.

This thread is not about Barack Obama and your entitlement to "project" it there ends with the TOS.
OMG

fascists are the progressive liberals

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When city councils fail in their fiduciary responsibility, they are subject to being voted out of office, they don't lose their right to govern because a Fascist Governor decides to put a corporation in their place.
liberals are the fascists...btw unions are corporations

and when a local entity FAILS...its not about voters....its about getting THE JOB DONE....the corupt fascist liberal locals FAILED, and the state has to come to the rescue
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Old 03-10-2011, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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When city councils fail in their fiduciary responsibility, they are subject to being voted out of office, they don't lose their right to govern because a Fascist Governor decides to put a corporation in their place. And if that failure is a result of corruption, they are subject to prosecution by the state. That should be sufficient power for those who supposedly support smaller government. Guess we've exposed that lie, as well.
You're wrong..again...still, because this looks like a standard practice to deal with dysfunctional local governments.

Why don't you address that FACT?

This manufactured outrage is amazing to behold.

Stuff like this has happened all over the country....before today....by democrats.....

I think I pretty hit the nail with this "narrative" from the Left.

Where were all the protesters trying to stop this?
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Old 03-10-2011, 12:56 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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You're wrong..again...still, because this looks like a standard practice to deal with dysfunctional local governments.

Why don't you address that FACT?

This manufactured outrage is amazing to behold.

Stuff like this has happened all over the country....before today....by democrats.....

I think I pretty hit the nail with this "narrative" from the Left.

Where were all the protesters trying to stop this?
Nah, the outrage is over the blinders wearing people who try to sell the absolute load of manure that only one side of the aisle has caused all the country's problems.
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Old 03-10-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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I'm waiting for the spin about why it is ok for the Federal govt. to take over a failing PRIVATE company, but a state can't take over a failing STATE entity.
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