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View Poll Results: Do you have confidence in U.S. disaster preparedness?
YES 4 8.70%
NO 42 91.30%
Voters: 46. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-12-2011, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Nothing but the utmost confidence, especially in light of how successful they have been in keeping travelers from carrying shampoos and mouthwashes over 3.4 ounces onto an airplane
Thats TSA/DHS, not FEMA. Although they might be one in the same now.
Body search before they hand you that gallon of water..cause you never know where terrorists are lurking.
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Old 03-12-2011, 08:55 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Christ you guys don't learn **** no matter how many times something hits you in the face.
Try to follow along now:
FEMA IS NOT A FIRST RESPONDER, more like fourth.
Water, food, and other emergency supplies are the responsibility of the local authorities. As is evacuation and immediate sheltering planning. In MD that's the Counties, and some municipalities, and then the State. Other states have different flow charts but FEMA is always way downstream. That is the way it was set up.

FEMA can't even respond in the 4th level until REQUESTED by a state's Governor or his declaration of a state of emergency.


Not allowing outsiders into a disaster area, no matter what they "say" they are carrying or doing is standard operating procedure. A couple reasons: one is to not allow anybody else into a disaster area who may or may not know what they're doing. Sort of the "dumbass factor". The other reason is to curtail the possibilities of looting, which, guess what, happens when you leave outsiders in.

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Old 03-12-2011, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Christ you guys don't learn **** no matter how many times something hits you in the face.
Try to follow along now:
FEMA IS NOT A FIRST RESPONDER, more like fourth.
Water, food, and other emergency supplies are the responsibility of the local authorities. As is evacuation and immediate sheltering planning. In MD that's the Counties, and some municipalities, and then the State. Other states have different flow charts but FEMA is always way downstream. That is the way it was set up.

FEMA can't even respond in the 4th level until REQUESTED by a state's Governor or his declaration of a state of emergency.
And that might sit well and good on paper. But once the first FEMA guys land (without supplies I might add) they cut off all local help. Once the first FEMA person arrives..they take over 100% even if they have nothing to hand out.
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Old 03-12-2011, 09:07 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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And that might sit well and good on paper. But once the first FEMA guys land (without supplies I might add) they cut off all local help. Once the first FEMA person arrives..they take over 100% even if they have nothing to hand out.

Ummm, ok. Not my experience.

Emergency preparedness is a personal responsibility. Too many dumbasses in the gene pool.
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Old 03-12-2011, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Do you have confidence in U.S. disaster preparedness?
(Current CNN poll)
Not with the current crowd in the WH. Every move they make is geared to how it can benefit, or not offend, their special interest groups, and secondly, how they can push green energy.

Its not that they don't care about responding to a disaster, its just that concern for our welfare is very far down their list. You have to break a couple of eggs to make the perfect cake, and we are just eggs in the basket of life to these people
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Old 03-12-2011, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Ummm, ok. Not my experience.

Emergency preparedness is a personal responsibility. Too many dumbasses in the gene pool.
It happened with both Katrina (from what I read) and Andrew (from firsthand experience).

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/na...l/05blame.html
"We wanted soldiers, helicopters, food and water," said Denise Bottcher, press secretary for Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco of Louisiana. "They wanted to negotiate an organizational chart."
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When Wal-Mart sent three trailer trucks loaded with water, FEMA officials turned them away, he said. Agency workers prevented the Coast Guard from delivering 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel, and on Saturday they cut the parish's emergency communications line, leading the sheriff to restore it and post armed guards to protect it from FEMA, Mr. Broussard said."
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Old 03-12-2011, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Nothing but the utmost confidence, especially in light of how successful they have been in keeping travelers from carrying shampoos and mouthwashes over 3.4 ounces onto an airplane
Yeah, but look at all the hijackers and terrorists they have caught at those airport inspection points.
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Old 03-12-2011, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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It happened with both Katrina (from what I read) and Andrew (from firsthand experience).

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/na...l/05blame.html
"We wanted soldiers, helicopters, food and water," said Denise Bottcher, press secretary for Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco of Louisiana. "They wanted to negotiate an organizational chart."
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When Wal-Mart sent three trailer trucks loaded with water, FEMA officials turned them away, he said. Agency workers prevented the Coast Guard from delivering 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel, and on Saturday they cut the parish's emergency communications line, leading the sheriff to restore it and post armed guards to protect it from FEMA, Mr. Broussard said."
Silly wabbit, Walmart is not unionized.
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Old 03-12-2011, 09:19 AM
 
Location: California
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I wont be waiting for someone to hand me a jug of water or food.
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Old 03-12-2011, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Wallingford, CT
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The poll doesn't seem to specify if it's referring to government preparedness or individual American citizen preparedness, both, or neither, or even what sort of disaster is being referred to.

I'm assuming that it's relevant to the tsunami/quake, therefore natural (not a terrorist type of situation) disaster, and that it means the US in general, not necessarily the gov't or FEMA.

It's my feeling that most people are not prepared for a disaster on the scale of Haiti. Haiti's capital and infrastructure were completely crippled. Literally no internet or phone communication would disable a large portion of the US, especially in a large city. However I think the US citizens have the ability to think on their feet. We would likely band together in that situation and come up with non-traditional solutions to get things done during a time of such crisis.

So not prepared, per se, but we certainly would be able to recover quickly, with or without gov't assistance.
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