Should the recipient class be allowed a vote? (poll, deported, politicians)
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The people that have had their livelihood taken away from them it isn't their fault
You could have some sort of running average so that if in the last 5 years you spent more than half your time on assistance you'd lose your franchise until getting back above 50%. That would protect those who aren't chronically dependent.
I think some sort of property requirement would be better though. Say you need $5000 or $10000 in free and clear assets to vote. That's not so much that someone who is trying to save it with a full time job couldn't do it within a few years, but it is enough that people would have to earn their vote thus making it more dear to them.
What would you think of your spouse, parent, child, sibling, etc. couldn't find work in over a year, let alone two?
Think about it.
No problem. I have a sister who took 3 years out of her life to care for both of our ailing parents until they both passed away, mom just last month. For three years my sister had no income, no job (she was already out of work when she started caring for our parents). By the way, she received no government handout, no unemployment, nothing from outside the family. She wasn't "contributing to society" during that time.
Should my sister have her right to vote taken away because people who think like you and Andrea feel that people like my sister don't contribute to society??!!
I have a very close friend who was laid off from her job over 18 months ago. She received unemployment for a while because she paid into it for over twenty years. She doesn't sit around waiting for a check. She looks for work on a regular basis, but hasn't found a job that makes sense for her to take. In fact, she's only had a few interviews and no offers. She's one of the smartest people in her field that I know. Should she no longer have the right to vote because "she has no skin in the game"?
Your middle-ages mentality is the worst kind on modern-day elitism I have ever seen.
Let's hope that people who think like you do never get into positions of power.
Last edited by SloRoller; 03-19-2011 at 10:12 PM..
No problem. I have a sister who took 3 years out of her life to care for both of our ailing parents until they both passed away. For three years she had no income, no job. By the way, she received no government handout, no unemployment, nothing from outside the family. She wasn't "contributing to society" during that time.
Should my sister have her right to vote taken away because people who think like you and Andrea feel that people like my sister don't contribute to society??!!
I have a very close friend who was laid off from her job over 18 months ago. She doesn't sit around waiting for a check. She looks for work on a regular basis, but hasn't found a job that makes sense for her to take. In fact, she's only had a few interviews and no offers. She's one of the smartest people in her field that I know. Should she no longer have the right to vote because "she has no skin in the game"?
Your middle-ages mentality is the worst kind on modern-day elitism I have ever seen.
Let's hope that people who think like you do never get into positions of power.
You sister is a different story. But still, others shouldn't have to bear the responsibility of her hardship. I know that you said she didn't receive any, but she must have had SOME income.
Your friend cannot be "one of the smartest in her field".
Why not start at a level that is hiring and work her way up?
The "smartest" in her field should have no problem doing that.
No problem. I have a sister who took 3 years out of her life to care for both of our ailing parents until they both passed away. For three years she had no income, no job. By the way, she received no government handout, no unemployment, nothing from outside the family. She wasn't "contributing to society" during that time.
well, if she was looking after your ailing parents then she most definitely was contributing to society on many levels. firstly, as a role model to people who'd rather dump their folks in a home. secondly, if she didn't help them, someone else would have to do so. in addition she wasn't gorging at the govt trough.
while i don't agree with the op, there are people who just take and offer nothing. i've also argued that there are those who offer plenty but they take twice as much out and then have us believe they're doing god's work. i say we cut the moochers off, but we start with the big fish first
The last time this came up, nobody was able to describe a system where people who inherit or obtain wealth from family rather than their own work would also be barred from voting.
If the goal is to only permit people with "skin in the game" to vote, then heirs or donees wouldn't count, either, since their "skin" wasn't of their own making.
You'd need a way to identify and eliminate them from the voter rolls as well, but nobody has come up with a workable way to do that.
You sister is a different story. But still, others shouldn't have to bear the responsibility of her hardship. I know that you said she didn't receive any, but she must have had SOME income.
Your friend cannot be "one of the smartest in her field".
Why not start at a level that is hiring and work her way up?
The "smartest" in her field should have no problem doing that.
Me thinks that something doesn't smell right.
Uhh, NO, she didn't have any income. Society did not bear the responsibility of her hardship. We, the immediate and extended family, helped out. Dad had some insurance and investments, but the fact of the matter is that the high cost of medical care (over $11,000 per month for mom alone...don't even get me started on the high cost of medical care!) can put any family in dire straits quickly.
And yes, my friend is one of the best that I have encountered in her field. And my exposure to people in her field cannot be considered limited by any stretch. Nothing "stinks" here. That's just a fact that you may choose not to accept. So be it. I see part of the problem as being that her field is not an expanding, growing field. It's sort of like being a Swiss Watchmaker in a Digital Watch world. A dying art.
Under the "original terms", only property owners who had paid taxes exercised political liberty - voting and holding public office (State or Federal).
[See the constitutions of the original States united]
The bane of any republican or democratic form of government, is the notion that robbing the public treasury is acceptable. Unfortunately, such a system of rewards for the takers, and penalties to the givers, is a recipe for disaster.
At this time, we have entitled masses voting to increase their cut of the booty, and fighting any change. And if they lose the majority vote, they resort to protests and mob actions, like in Wisconsin.
There is a simple reform that would reverse decades of folly. It would re-establish the common sense principle that beggars can't be choosers.
If you accept the public's support, you surrender all privileges to decide how that support is given to you.
Of course, this will never happen. America had its socialist revolution in 1935, and over 300 million "human resources", via FICA, will stymie any meaningful change... unless...
What if those "human resources" volunteered OUT of Social Security?
[There is no law compelling participation, nor punishing one who does not participate... it is 100% voluntary. Don't believe me - write a polite letter to "your" congressman and ask for a copy of the law that compels all Americans to enroll and get "the number" before they can work in their own country.]
What do you think would happen after 51% withdraw consent from FICA?
That unspeakable result is what you will never, ever hear in the mainstream media. No instrumentality of the propaganda ministry will dare whisper it. Because "they" know that when the people cease giving consent, the system collapses.
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