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(a)Congressional declaration
It is the purpose of this chapter to fulfill the intent of the framers of the Constitution of the United States and insure that the collective judgment of both the Congress and the President will apply to the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and to the continued use of such forces in hostilities or in such situations. (b)Congressional legislative power under necessary and proper clause
Under article I, section 8, of the Constitution, it is specifically provided that the Congress shall have the power to make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution, not only its own powers but also all other powers vested by the Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any department or officer hereof. (c)Presidential executive power as Commander-in-Chief; limitation
The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1)a declaration of war, (2)specific statutory authorization, or (3)a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.
That last bit is what matters here. this is the LAW as it relates to a presidents ability to invade another nation without prior consent of congress....
Now for the question: DID Libya "attack the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."
Now for the question: DID Libya "attack the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."
NO! That's why I'm saying Obama went around Congress illegally. He is only allowed to do that if we are attacked or under direct threat of being attacked (imminent). He said so himself in '07. Obama:
NO! That's why I'm saying Obama went around Congress illegally. He is only allowed to do that if we are attacked or under direct threat of being attacked (imminent). He said so himself in '07. Obama:
what you should be saying is that Obama broke the law...
Where I come from, illegal = breaking the law and vice versa. It's synonymous. Don't know where you were trying to go with that though.
bottom line here is you wont get around liberals with the "go around congress" thing. symantics is on their side.
Now facing up to "He broke the law" and giving the actual wording from the WPA itself.... they have to deny actual words.... its doable but a bit more difficult.
I am conflicted. I think we should be taking this action. I think our goal ought to be killing Qudaffi and his son and letting the rebles take over.... what ever that leads to...
I think we also ought to be pressuring the French to lead the thing on the ground in setting up a secular free government there... (wont happen in a million years)
but I think Obama broke the law and rushed in here without getting congress to agree to the action. We were not attacked, he cannot go in without congressional approval.
bottom line here is you wont get around liberals with the "go around congress" thing. symantics is on their side.
Now facing up to "He broke the law" and giving the actual wording from the WPA itself.... they have to deny actual words.... its doable but a bit more difficult.
I am conflicted. I think we should be taking this action. I think our goal ought to be killing Qudaffi and his son and letting the rebles take over.... what ever that leads to...
I think we also ought to be pressuring the French to lead the thing on the ground in setting up a secular free government there... (wont happen in a million years)
but I think Obama broke the law and rushed in here without getting congress to agree to the action. We were not attacked, he cannot go in without congressional approval.
I wouldn't get into the impeaching stuff (it was silly talk under Bush, and it's silly now), but i'm most certainly angry as hell at the president. I'm still an Obama supporter, but if this Libya thing doesn't wrap up fast, i'm considering not voting for him in the next election.
What a joke.
You'll vote for him. Far leftists like you have nowhere else to go.
What a joke.
You'll vote for him. Far leftists like you have nowhere else to go.
Obama is a Centrist and the more left wing have some difficulties with that. But, not as much difficulty, as they have with what poses as Republican these days.
Obama is a Centrist and the more left wing have some difficulties with that. But, not as much difficulty, as they have with what poses as Republican these days.
Uh, the left have another option, not voting. They did it in '10 and will do it again. Eventually, the centrists will learn.
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What a joke.
