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View Poll Results: How do you feel now that Obama has released his long form birth certificate?
I WAS and birther, I am convinced and I am ready to move on. 4 2.22%
I am still a birther and will just look for something new to complain about. 6 3.33%
I was never really a birther but I will continue to aggitate because it is fun to watch. 16 8.89%
I was not a birther and I was already convinced. 154 85.56%
Voters: 180. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-29-2011, 09:59 PM
 
Location: High Cotton
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it's the exact same PDF corruption as in illustrator.
Yes...finally! You agree that Obama's long-form birth certificate is a fraud... Thank you!

"Corruption" = dishonesty, fraud, bribery, sleaze, inducement to wrong by improper or unlawful means
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Old 04-29-2011, 10:11 PM
 
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I am far, far from an expert but I do know how "layering" works.
great. then you'll understand this aspect. if you move one of the glitches you'll reveal an exact identical blank area underneath. if these truly were on seperate layers the background underneath wouldn't be affected.

check out one of the videos again and you'll see the blank area when the glitch is moved.
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Old 04-29-2011, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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That's interesting, this wiki says they changed the name in 1931

In 1931, its name was changed to the Kapiʻolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.
Kapiolani Medical Center for Women and Children - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
they also plugged this in
On August 4 1961, President Barack Hussein Obama II was born in the hospital
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Old 04-29-2011, 10:37 PM
 
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President Obama’s Birth Certificate PDF has “Layers” | WireUpdate Videos | Breaking News Video | Breaking News TV
The Northern Kentucky Voice (http://www.nkyvoice.com/ - broken link)
Expert: No Doubt Obama's Birth Certificate Is Legit - FoxNews.com

Turns out it's just a result of optical character recognition.
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Old 04-29-2011, 10:39 PM
 
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great. then you'll understand this aspect. if you move one of the glitches you'll reveal an exact identical blank area underneath. if these truly were on seperate layers the background underneath wouldn't be affected.

check out one of the videos again and you'll see the blank area when the glitch is moved.
Yes, I've noticed that in some instances, but in others, a text box, for example, can be moved and there is still the green safety paper pattern in the area it was moved from.

I appreciate you pointing these things out. You are one of the few on your side of the argument who isn't resorting to statements of "belief" or ad hominen fallacy.

Whatever conclusion I reach- if ever I do, will be based on understanding things about computer documents and how they work- and how one can tell whether a document has been pieced together or not. It will not depend on whether I "like" Obama or not- or what political party I identify with- or what names people call me.

I will say I voted for Obama.

Thank you.
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Old 04-29-2011, 10:49 PM
 
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Yes, I've noticed that in some instances, but in others, a text box, for example, can be moved and there is still the green safety paper pattern in the area it was moved from.
i think you're mistaken but if you can point to which one of the glitches you believe does this i'll check it out.


i also try and keep my political beliefs out of this discussion and avoid being swayed by them when researching. i'm just fascinated to see the formation and growth of a conspiracy theory as it happens.
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Old 04-29-2011, 11:02 PM
 
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i think you're mistaken but if you can point to which one of the glitches you believe does this i'll check it out.


i also try and keep my political beliefs out of this discussion and avoid being swayed by them when researching. i'm just fascinated to see the formation and growth of a conspiracy theory as it happens.
http://youtu.be/jCMxVbPCPBY (broken link)

I am mistaken about the white- looking closely at this one you can see white where the words were but the text boxes can be moved all over the place.
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Old 04-29-2011, 11:30 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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That's interesting, this wiki says they changed the name in 1931

In 1931, its name was changed to the Kapiʻolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.
Kapiolani Medical Center for Women and Children - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
they also plugged this in
On August 4 1961, President Barack Hussein Obama II was born in the hospital
My link said "some time before 1940". 1931 is before 1940.
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Old 04-29-2011, 11:34 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Who said "trust but verify"?

I just got interested in this issue yesterday when I looked at several videos- most NOT from any birther sites as far as I could tell. The various videos from various sources independently pointed out many of the same apparent anomalies and were convincing enough to cause me to have some interest in this topic.
And it was verified by the Independent Fact Checked site, it was verified by the former Director of Health in Hawaii, it was verified by the former Republican Governor of Hawaii.
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Old 04-29-2011, 11:35 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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African is NOT A RACE, there are plenty of caucasians and other races in Africa.
The parents race is self reported....
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