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Jews in NYC are overwhelmingly Democratic and liberal, there are some portions in the ultra orthodox areas of Brooklyn and a neighborhood that straddles the Nassau/Queens border, tend to be quite conservative. However, Jews as a whole in NYC are quite liberal, Gay marriage would pass easily in NYC.
They also have a combined top rate of 55% which sucks.
answer this is their any city in this country (with over 100,000 people) that had any EDs that voted for McCain at a 90% rate. When you find answer to that then you can call NYC liberal. How many EDs in the country voted for McCain at a 97+ rate, tell me is there even 1 in your whole state?
Jews in NYC are overwhelmingly Democratic and liberal, there are some portions in the ultra orthodox areas of Brooklyn and a neighborhood that straddles the Nassau/Queens border, tend to be quite conservative. However, Jews as a whole in NYC are quite liberal, Gay marriage would pass easily in NYC.
and Kew Garden Hills (and parts of Forrest Hills, and Jamaica Estates), and parts of Riverdale, and Staten Island (and non Orthodox areas such as Brighton Beach) ext. and not just in the outer Boroughs in Manhattan to at least half of all Orthodox Jews on the UWs voted for McCain. there was a spike in McCain's vote in the Orthodox Jewish parts of the LES, and the one of McCain's best EDs in all of Manhattan was in the Jewish part of Washington Heights
you have no clue what your talking about the highest% of a any demographic gotten by McCain in NYC were Jews. http://www.urbanresearch.org/resourc...ous%202008.pdf
NYC White demographics by order of McCain vote%
White Jews McCain vote
47.995%
White Catholics McCain vote
43.998%
Other Whites McCain vote
22.683
WASPs McCain vote
16.682
and Kew Garden Hills (and parts of Forrest Hills, and Jamaica Estates), and parts of Riverdale, and Staten Island (and non Orthodox areas such as Brighton Beach) ext. and not just in the outer Boroughs in Manhattan to at least half of all Orthodox Jews on the UWs voted for McCain. there was a spike in McCain's vote in the Orthodox Jewish parts of the LES, and the one of McCain's best EDs in all of Manhattan was in the Jewish part of Washington Heights
you have no clue what your talking about the highest% of a any demographic gotten by McCain in NYC were Jews. http://www.urbanresearch.org/resourc...ous%202008.pdf
NYC White demographics by order of McCain vote%
White Jews McCain vote
47.995%
White Catholics McCain vote
43.998%
Other Whites McCain vote
22.683
WASPs McCain vote
16.682
I'm not really sure where they get the figures from. Perhaps going by the districts in which each group is a majority? And counting the figures as that, therefore, Jews in areas that are 20-25% Jewish might be counted with another group so white Jews tend to be reflected more in the Orthodox areas.
If you look at Long Island for example, especially the white areas of Long Island, Obama's strongest areas were all areas with a large Jewish population (Roslyn, Jericho, Woodbury, Plainview South Bellmore and Merrick, southern 2/3 of Great Neck, with the exception of the Persian Jewish areas of North Great Neck/ Kings Point, and the orthodox Community along the Queens border in Lawrence, the areas McCain did the best in have very little Jews (Garden City, Seaford, Manhasset, Stewart Manor)
If you look at Long Island for example, especially the white areas of Long Island, Obama's strongest areas were all areas with a large Jewish population (Roslyn, Jericho, Woodbury, Plainview South Bellmore and Merrick, southern 2/3 of Great Neck, with the exception of the Persian Jewish areas of North Great Neck/ Kings Point, and the orthodox Community along the Queens border in Lawrence, the areas McCain did the best in have very little Jews (Garden City, Seaford, Manhasset, Stewart Manor)
except NYC is not Long Island.
in NYC Orthodox Jews when added together with Russian Jews, and the more traditional non Orthodox Jews (eg: non Orthodox sfardiem, right wing Conservative Jews (the type that doesn't really exist outside of NYC in America (think David Weiss Halivni (which is still more likely to vote McCain then the avg Jew would)), and the hard core Zionist types are probably majority of all Jewish voters left in NYC by this point. (most of the the Liberal Jewish community is a lot older and dieing or moving out, and remember those Orthodox birth rates) At this point I'll be shocked if most jews under the age of 18 in NYC are not Orthodox.
Last edited by NY Jew; 05-06-2011 at 04:46 PM..
Reason: clarification
I'd be shocked if every single one of the 5 boroughs individually does not have more Orthodox Jews then all of Long Island if you don't include the larger Great Neck area, and the 5 towns.
(and if you have issues with Queens due to the Rockways you could make the Rockways it's own borough and my statement will still hold true)
in NYC Orthodox Jews when added together with Russian Jews, and the more traditional non Orthodox Jews (eg: non Orthodox sfardiem, right wing Conservative Jews (the type that doesn't really exist outside of NYC in America (think David Weiss Halivni (which is still more likely to vote McCain then the avg Jew would)), and the hard core Zionist types are probably majority of all Jewish voters left in NYC by this point. (most of the the Liberal Jewish community is a lot older and dieing or moving out, and remember those Orthodox birth rates) At this point I'll be shocked if most jews under the age of 18 in NYC are not Orthodox.
Being against gay Kiddushin does not necessarily mean opposing gay civil marriage, as per Rabbi Roth. I would bet many of the handful of Halivni/UTJ jews would vote FOR gay civil marriage, maybe even a few Modern O would. Also, I would guess most hard core Zionists who are NOT modern O, would support gay marriage (you may have a different definition of hard core zionist than I do). there are probably few under 18 non O left in NYC, thats because most non O raise their kids in the suburbs, who move to the city as 20 somethings. There are definitely lots of 20-35 non - O Jews in NYC.
Not to mention a growing community of "offthederech" young people.
then of course there are the folks who ARE orthodox (or passing as orthodox, depending on your POV) who are themselves gay. I wonder how they would vote?
Really? I don't believe that for a minute. Were gay marriage to be put to a vote in NYC, and NYC only, it would pass by a huge margin. You sure can make those areas where McCain won by a high percentage, but you make a mistake in assuming that those votes are all Conservatives.
That is what gays thoguht in califrnia also;as I remember. What they foud was that marriage between a man and woman was protected by the voters . Certainly as porgrssive and liberal as new york which is why they put it on the ballot there first. Think that all who vote liberal will voye to allow gay marriage has clearly been shown to be a mistake.
When was the last time NY went Republican for anything? They also have a combined top rate of 55% which sucks.
They are a giant welfare state at this point.
NY state is actually overall, a net outpayer of federal funds, by some $11 B IIRC.
That said, 35% of the NYC budget is spent on welfare, and if Wall Street ever left NY, the city and state would literally collapse as there are few, if any, functioning industries left in the city and state.
Upstate is emptying out completely, and if you were to take away the illegals in the 5 boros you'd have a net loss of population there as well over the past 10 years.
3 additional facts that pretty sum it up for the city/state:
1) large numbers of apartments, almost 40% in some buildings, in NYC are owned as pied a terres, meaning the owner is there less than 10% of the year. This is because so much of manhattan prime real estate has been bought by wealthy foreigners.
2) the excess of moving vans of people moving out of NY vs. moving into the state over the period 2000-2010 is greater than anywhere else in the US.
3) the city of NYC has a public workforce of over 300,000 people - while the whole populace of the city is only 8 million, the worst ratio I believe in the US.
While the new governor cuomo is getting accolades for the recently passed budget, the state is in a permanent death spiral unless the massive public workforce is substantially reduced, and the taxes brought way down. NY needs Scott Walker, but I'll take Christie right now...
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