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"The result is a society driven by manufactured mass paranoia, where personal betrayal is seen as a virtue instead of the lowest form of human behavior. And as the 21st Century begins to unfold, this perverse version of reality is being exported around the world. Seamless global surveillance is the ultimate goal. All it takes is a tip from a snitch to make you a target."
Perhaps you should spend less time Paddling the pickle and more time reading the Constitution and Unpatriotic Act.
Your 4th amendment freedom from unreasonable search and seizure has been lost for starters.
I haven't lost a thing no matter how many times you assert it. I'm law abiding citizen, not affiliated with any terrorist orgs and have and will not have my property searched or seized. This has only occured in ONE verified incident which was due to a technical issue. You're hyping nothing.
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Originally Posted by Patton360
The stench is overwhelming at this point.
Search all my post. I'm about as liberal as anybody on this board. I happen to think for myself and not judge things based on what adminisitration implemented a particular law/statute but what are it's merits. I'm not a lockstep liberal, I guess you can all me an independant liberal.
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Originally Posted by padcrasher
The government is supposed to be transparent in it's dealing, and the citizens protected in their privacy.
These scared, authoritarians on this thread want that reversed.
The government can keep all it's dealings secret in the name of National Security and citizens should lose their privacy rights.
The fall of Rome on steroids. This is how low we've sunk.
Your back selling wolf tickets. I'll keep asking, where are the people that have been violated? Where is your evidence for these outrageous claims? Who's lost what privacy? Maybe you've sunk, maybe you live scared of what imaginary boogeyman's behind your door but I don't. The patriot act has not taken ONE THING from me, or you for that matter. NOTHING.
After reading this thread I think you can tell by now that there is nothing unconstitutional about the USAPATRIOT Act, and all the hyperbole and spin against the law has been by those who never bothered to read the bill.
There has been no violation of our constitutionally protected rights. In absolutely every case, and stated numerous times, the legislation requires the protections under the Fourth Amendment to be adhered to at all times. So when someone claims that the USAPATRIOT Act violates the Fourth Amendment you can be absolutely certain that they: 1) have never read the law; or 2) are lying through their teeth.
The only provision under the USAPATRIOT Act that I have a problem with, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the US Constitution, is the section that allows the Executive Branch to sell off at public auction the assets of terrorist organizations and keep the proceeds from such sales. I believe this provision undermines the Separation of Powers. Congress, specifically the House, is the only body that is permitted to appropriate funds under Article I, Section 7, Clause 1 of the US Constitution. I think giving the Executive Branch another source of income, that is separate from and unaccountable to Congress, is a very bad idea.
This is precisely what happened when Reagan was President. According to the Boland Amendment the President was prohibited from using any appropriated funds to continue funding the Contras in Nicaragua. So Reagan used the proceeds from the sale of arms to Israel, which were later sold to Iran, to continue funding the Contras. It was not appropriated funds, therefore Reagan did not violate the law under the Boland Amendment, but it did give the Executive Branch more authority than they should have been allowed.
The Executive Branch should not have any source of revenue that does not come directly from Congress.
Facts don't sit well with people handcuffed to a particular ideal/idea/dogma. Conservatives, and liberals in this case are both guilty of this behavior.
I'm a fairly liberal guy but I've never understood all the whinnig about the patriot act. I've never heard of anyone having any negative personal experiences as a direct result of the patriot act. Has anybody? If you're doing nothing wrong it appears that you'll be just fine which is true for about 99% of the population. It's been in effect for several years and I hear so many complain about it but nobody that's actually been effected by it. It sort of goes hand and hand with airport body scanners and/or pat downs. THe extra 1-2 minutes it takes me to take my shoes and belt off has never caused me any trauma but I hear so many whine incessantly about it. Well, that's until something goes BOOM..Anyway, just my thoughts, flame away at your leisure.
Folks. There is a scared, helpless authoritarian in this thread that keeps claiming that the Patriot act has not been abused.
Here is documented evidence of Inspector General's report in 2007 and 2008 which cited thousands of cases of the Fed breaking the law and abusing the Patriot act.
Just go to this post on this thread and click on the three links.
Your wasting your time dealing with them. They know nothing of the abuses that have gone on, and most importantly they don't care about government law breaking or an erosion of civil liberties.
Folks. There is a scared, helpless authoritarian in this thread that keeps claiming that the Patriot act has not been abused.
Here is documented evidence of Inspector General's report in 2007 and 2008 which cited thousands of cases of the Fed breaking the law and abusing the Patriot act.
Just go to this post on this thread and click on the three links.
Your wasting your time dealing with them. They knos nothing of the abuses that have gone on and most importantly they don't care about government law breaking or an erosion of civil liberties.
You must be one of the most dishonest posters on CD. There is nothing in any of those links documenting evidence regarding 1000s of cases. You dig up 3 salon.com commentaries from 2005 and expect to pass that off as evidence..Sorry, it aint happening here. Your previous ACLU article also listed unsubstantiated commentary from 2005. Just stop.
You must be one of the most dishonest posters on CD. There is nothing in any of those links documenting evidence regarding 1000s of cases. You dig up 3 salon.com commentaries from 2005 and expect to pass that off as evidence..Sorry, it aint happening here. Your previous ACLU article also listed unsubstantiated commentary from 2005. Just stop.
Apparently, you are unable to read.
The actual IG report from the 2nd link...it was highlighted in the Salon article
LOL..Do a quick search of my post since I joined this board..I find it hilarious so many liberals can't believe a liberal doesn't walk in blind lockstep. Sitting on this side of the fence on this one issue has shown me a side of liberals that I really didn't expect. Maybe we are as bad as conservatives about some issues. It's really sad actually.
I read that..Where was anything lost? In 2005, the FBI used an improper procedure. What did you lose? What did anybody lose? You claim so much was secret but somehow the mishaps were discovered and rectified. As with any new legal procedures those things happen. Again, that was more than 6 years ago. That's all you got, please. If we got rid of a legal process everytime it was conducted improperly, we wouldn't have any legal processes. That actually has EVERYTHING to do with the FBI NOT the patriot act.
I read that..Where was anything lost? In 2005, the FBI used an improper procedure. What did you lose? What did anybody lose? You claim so much was secret but somehow the mishaps were discovered and rectified. As with any new legal procedures those things happen. Again, that was more than 6 years ago. That's all you got, please. If we got rid of a legal process everytime it was conducted improperly, we wouldn't have any legal processes. That actually has EVERYTHING to do with the FBI NOT the patriot act.
I rest my case.
Did I not say that when you give these government-can-do-no-wrong authoritarians evidence of thousands of cases of government abuse...they just write it off because it didn't happen to them personally?
I'm not wasting my time anymore.
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