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Old 05-22-2011, 12:46 PM
 
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It is shocking how little many posters in this thread know about the U.S. Constitution.

NO MAN IS A CONVICTED CRIMINAL UNTIL JUDGED SO BY A JURY OF HIS PEERS.

THESE "CRIMINALS" HAVE NOT EVEN GONE TO TRIAL.

PICK UP A BASIC CIVIL LIBERTIES TEXTBOOK AND START READING.
That's why it's totally goofy to waste your time crying over the people being held in jail. Most of them get bonded out in just hours.

You have to hold them -- if they were picked up in some bar fight, you can't suggest the police just allow those fights to go on and escalate. Same for domestic violence. What would you do with drunk drivers? Let them keep on driving and just give them a warning? Most judges are pretty lax with them as it is and gthey will just go on driving.

People who never pay their traffic tickets and ignore the warnings that there are warrants can find themselves spending a few hours in jail until they bond out. Big deal - they made their choices.
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Old 05-22-2011, 12:50 PM
 
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While on a ship in the navy, we saw a news story on the requirements for prison cells like how many prisoners per cubic feet. Some one should pass those standards onto the US Navy cause our living conditions were much more confining.
When I was in college, we had some class trip to a hard-core prison. We couldn't talk with the prisoners of course, but we got to see the cells, and their cafeteria and menu. The prisoners were far from deprived. They had exercise machines that the phys-ed department at college would envy. They had stereos, televisions, magazines. But yes, their rooms were considerably more spacious than a typical college dorm room.

Really the only thing not to like about prison would be the other prisoners from what I could tell.
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Old 05-22-2011, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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Remember the constitution?

We can agree that inhumane conditions are great for convicted criminals (pot possession, for example).

But innocent men should not be treated like this in America.

The soul of America these days is straight out of the dark ages.
It's all part of the automatic assumption going today that

1. The police are always right.

2. If they say your guiltiy you must be.

3. A few days in county jail will sure help get a plea bargain signed quick even if you'd never win at a trial.

What constitution?
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Old 05-22-2011, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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This thread is still alive? People whinning about the cozyness of jails while our school systems suck. For freaks sake people, get you priorities together.
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Old 05-22-2011, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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Just where in the U.S. Constitution does it say prison inmates deserve any better?
Where does it say they don't?
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Old 05-22-2011, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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BBC News - Louis Theroux goes to the Miami mega-jail



But that's O.K.

I think most of the people on this thread think its o.k. to treat non-convicted people like animals because their great-grandfathers actually owned people like this.

The more things change...the more things stay the same...
My great-grandfather owned no one. He was too busy resisting the British in the Gold Coast. I still don't care how these inmates are housed.
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Old 05-23-2011, 06:21 AM
 
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Do you know the difference between a jail and a prison?

A jury?
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Old 05-23-2011, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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The US jail that’s just like a zoo | The Sun |Features



Remember, this isn't prison. Technically these men are innocent.

Land of the Free...
I guess you better sell your house and all of your worldly goods. Cash in your 401k and donate ALL of your salary to build more "jails" for these poor innocent people. Let them live in a life luxury and you can live in a cardboard box, under a bridge.

Until YOU and I do mean YOU do that, I really don't give rats you know what, what the condition in jail is.
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Old 05-23-2011, 09:38 AM
 
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The right to a trial before you're punished?
Most of them can post bail right? What's the problem here?
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Old 05-23-2011, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Illinois...for now
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Remember the constitution?

We can agree that inhumane conditions are great for convicted criminals (pot possession, for example).

But innocent men should not be treated like this in America.

The soul of America these days is straight out of the dark ages.

Get over it. Innocent men would not be in jail, or prison, or whatever. If they expected to be treated like princesses they should have stayed clean.
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