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Old 05-30-2011, 02:54 PM
 
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I've seen plenty of people here say the US is involved in a third war. I get it, they don't know much, have trouble getting through a newspaper and need to get their opinions from biased talk radio. I thought I'd post some people who have good right credentials and background.

For background on the issue, the UN authorized countries to use force to save the lives of civilians. Nato stepped in here led largely by France. The US is participating in a limited role where civilian lives are at risk and are providing largely logistical support (refueling, jamming telecommunications and also some military combat flights). The US was heavily involved at first to create a safe flight zone. The bulk of the actual bombing has is being carried out by European NATO countries
Robert Gates was George HW Bush's head of the CIA and was appointed by W (with his nomination passing 95-2) as the Secretary of Defense. The US Air Force's webpage quotes him here as saying, "Our goal right now (in Libya) is actually very limited," he added. "It is basically a support role."

Gates stresses U.S. support role in Libya

Also, recent Republican presidential nominee and war hero John McCain said that the United States is only taking a back seat role in the operations in Libya.

McCain decries 'backseat role' in Libya - UPI.com

Knowing this, if you still insist on saying that the United States is at war with Libya, then you are calling two decorated former US military officers (one of them being a former POW) liars. If you're doing that, shame on you.
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Old 05-30-2011, 02:57 PM
 
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No need to bring ANY Bush into this, Bush has congressional backing, does obama?

3 questions:

Did obama go to the UN or did the UN go to obama?

Are we dropping bombs? Yes or no?

Are we spending money on Libya?

P.S., your dates are at fault....of course NOW we are only taking a back seat....but what about 2 1/2 months ago....

P.S.S.....this IS coming from a decorated combat vet....so SHAME on you for even bringing that into play....
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Old 05-30-2011, 03:00 PM
 
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My two sisters used to gang up on me when I was young.

Eventually, I became adept at grabbing them by their hair, swinging them round and round, and then releasing them into a wall.

I don't know if Libya has that capability, though.
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Old 05-30-2011, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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We have never been 'at war' with Libya which is why Obama did not need to go to congress. Bush got backing from congress because he put troops on the ground from the get go. Until Obama puts troops on the ground, he does not need to get congresses backing which is why the majority of congress has not said anything concerning Lybia after the 60 days were up. Right-wing pundits are callign it a war because they hate Obama and anything he does is wrong and 'against the law' even though they have no clue about 'the law'.
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Old 05-30-2011, 03:31 PM
 
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We have never been 'at war' with Libya which is why Obama did not need to go to congress. Bush got backing from congress because he put troops on the ground from the get go. Until Obama puts troops on the ground, he does not need to get congresses backing which is why the majority of congress has not said anything concerning Lybia after the 60 days were up. Right-wing pundits are callign it a war because they hate Obama and anything he does is wrong and 'against the law' even though they have no clue about 'the law'.
Well, there you have it....JUST because we have no "boots on the ground" does not mean war......who cares about all the bombs we dropped...
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Old 05-30-2011, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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We have never been 'at war' with Libya which is why Obama did not need to go to congress. Bush got backing from congress because he put troops on the ground from the get go. Until Obama puts troops on the ground, he does not need to get congresses backing which is why the majority of congress has not said anything concerning Lybia after the 60 days were up. Right-wing pundits are callign it a war because they hate Obama and anything he does is wrong and 'against the law' even though they have no clue about 'the law'.
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Old 05-30-2011, 03:35 PM
 
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Since Obama has proven to be just as much of a warmonger as Bush, it's just easier for his supporters to re-define war rather than having to justify his actions.
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Old 05-30-2011, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Knowing this, if you still insist on saying that the United States is at war with Libya, then you are calling two decorated former US military officers (one of them being a former POW) liars. If you're doing that, shame on you.
Maybe we are, maybe we are not. But the fact that two officers say something is not definitive proof.

And disagreeing with somebody does not mean you are calling them liars.

So shame on you for calling people liars.
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Old 05-30-2011, 03:36 PM
 
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We have never been 'at war' with Libya which is why Obama did not need to go to congress. Bush got backing from congress because he put troops on the ground from the get go. Until Obama puts troops on the ground, he does not need to get congresses backing which is why the majority of congress has not said anything concerning Lybia after the 60 days were up. Right-wing pundits are callign it a war because they hate Obama and anything he does is wrong and 'against the law' even though they have no clue about 'the law'.
Were there troops on the ground in NYC on 9-11-01?

If not, what's the big deal?
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Old 05-30-2011, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Well, there you have it....JUST because we have no "boots on the ground" does not mean war......who cares about all the bombs we dropped...
That was to assist NATO. NATO is with us in Afghanistan and we are the major member. While I question why NATO exists, as long as we are a member we are committed
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