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Old 05-31-2011, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Originally Posted by pghquest View Post
deficits are BORROWED, and borrowed money is NOT revenue.
There are three things, not one:
1- Revenue
2- Expense
3- Deficit/Surplus

Got it?
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Old 05-31-2011, 01:44 PM
 
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To reduce the defecit, you must endeavor to, and actually cut, spending. If you raise tax rates, you get less revenue (you always get less of something you tax, and if you increase taxes on economic activity, you get less economic activity and less revenue.

Further, when revenues are "anticipated" to increase, the usual course of action by politicians in general, and Democrats in particular, is to increase spending above and beyond the anticipated increase.

The solution is found ONLY in spending cuts - DEEEEP, sustained cuts in spending.
I guess that explains why the Clinton administration has the highest rate of federal tax revenue increases of any post World War II two term presidential administration and they raised taxes.

And the Bush 43 had the LOWEST rate of federal tax revenue increases of any post World War II two term presidential administration and THEY LOWERED TAXES.

Historical Tax Revenue
George W. Bush Jr.
All figures are trillions of dollars
2001 - $1.9911
2002 - $1.8531
2003 - $1.7823
2004 - $1.8801
2005 - $2.1536
2006 - $2.4069
2007 - $2.5680
2008 - $2.5240
Increase from beginning to end of term: 26.56%
Highest Marginal Tax Rate 2003 -39.6%
Lowest Marginal Tax Rate 2004 -35%
Harry Truman
Increases in tax revenue
Harry Truman
1945 - $45.2 billion
1952 - $66.2 billion
Increase - 46.46%
Highest Marginal Tax Rate 1945 - 94.0%
Lowest Marginal Tax Rate 1946 - 91%

Dwight D. Eisenhower
1953 - $69.6 billion
1960 - $92.5 billion
Increase - 32.90%
Higest Marginal Tax Rate 1953 - 92.0%
Lowest Marginal Tax Rate 1954 - 91%


John F. Kennedy - Lyndon B. Johnson
1961 - $94.4 billion
1968 - $153 biliion
Increase - 62.76%
Higest Marginal Tax Rate 1961 - 91.0%
Lowest Marginal Tax Rate 1965 - 70.0%

Richard M. Nixon - Gerald R. Ford
1969 - $186.9 billion
1976 - $298.1 billion
Increase - 59.50%
Highest Marginal Tax Rate - 70%

Ronald Reagan
1981 - $599.3 billion
1988 - $909.2 billion
Increase - 51.2%
Highest Marginal Tax Rate 1981 - 70.0%
Lowest Marginal Tax Rate 1988 - 28.0%

Bill Clinton
1993 - $1.1543 trillion
2000 - $2.0252 trillion
Increase - 75.43%
Highest Marginal Tax Rate - 39.6%

The GDP growth rate has a far more stronger influence on increasing tax revenue than cutting taxes. Tax cuts have proven to be a temporary economic stimulus that don't lead to long term economic growth.

The Bush 43 administration had only TWO quarters where GDP growth exceeded 4% or better. Compare that to other administrations:

20 - Clinton administration

15 - Reagan administration

13 - Nixon-Ford administration

23 - Kennedy-Johnson

12 - Eisenhower
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Old 05-31-2011, 01:45 PM
 
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It worked under Clinton.
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Old 05-31-2011, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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It worked under Clinton.
When arguing with those stuck in reverse gear, what worked doesn't matter. As any of them will gladly tell you...
Income Tax Revenue (Top 5%), 2000: $724 Billion
Income Tax Revenue (Top 5%), 2004: $566 Billion

Looking backwards, income tax revenue grew.
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Old 05-31-2011, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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Why muddle the Conservative mind with FACTS and KNOWLEDGE.

All they need is IDEOLOGY!
"Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person unconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others have those feelings." --Wade, Tavris "Psychology" Sixth Edition Prentice Hall 2000

The most pervasive ideology out there is the idea that Government is good, more government is better, and there's no such thing as too much Government--all while the economy is dying and the nation being dismantled into irrelevance under the misguided policies of an all-powerful and fiscally insane bloated Government behemoth.
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Old 05-31-2011, 03:38 PM
 
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There are three things, not one:
1- Revenue
2- Expense
3- Deficit/Surplus

Got it?
Repeat.. Maybe you'll get it this time..

BORROWED MONEY IS NOT REVENUE!!!
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Old 05-31-2011, 03:45 PM
 
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When arguing with those stuck in reverse gear, what worked doesn't matter. As any of them will gladly tell you...
Income Tax Revenue (Top 5%), 2000: $724 Billion
Income Tax Revenue (Top 5%), 2004: $566 Billion

Looking backwards, income tax revenue grew.
Do you now want to compare revenues from 2006 - 2011 under Obama, ignoring everything else taking place, like the recession? I mean hey, if its fair for you to do it to Bush, then clearly you would agree with the same comparison for Obama right?
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Old 05-31-2011, 04:38 PM
 
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Repeat.. Maybe you'll get it this time..

BORROWED MONEY IS NOT REVENUE!!!
You can lead a liberal to water, but you cannot make them think.
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Old 05-31-2011, 04:44 PM
 
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You can lead a liberal to water, but you cannot make them think.
You can lead a Conservative to the truth but they will NEVER give up their ideology. Even if it defies common sense.
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Old 05-31-2011, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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If there's a party whose ideology defies common sense, it's the Democrats; all of the states with the very worst balance sheets have had Democrats in charge for decades.

Start with Obama's home state, then Pelosi's, then Schumer's, and go on from there.
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