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Old 06-16-2011, 10:24 AM
 
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Okay then, as I said in my original post I'm all for equality. I'm addressing an observation I've made, that has roots in feminism.

I'm not referring to extremism. I'm referring to the general attitude in society that being a housewife is shameful. This is a very common attitude.
The idea didn't come from feminism. It came from the notion that the man goes to work and the woman must be subservient because she doesn't know any better about the world.
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Old 06-16-2011, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Any follow up on Post 63?

The first thing destroyed by the patriarchal religions is the worship of the Goddess. Weak men need the Assurance of GOD that they can freely rape within their household. They have to believe that all women are lesser beings. They cannot risk that their combat buddy may think about a woman before them. Weak men are jealous. Weak gods are worse.

Feminism has only helped make parts of the better half of the human race free. Now to extend that freedom to the rest of the world.
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Old 06-16-2011, 10:54 AM
 
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Sorry, I don't get your point. Why would they consider that to be shameful? Why would they equate that with an unemployed man?
Shameful may not be the right word, but if either spouse stays at home and neither contributes monetarily or by raising kids, the relationship is going to suffer, because one spouse will feel more pressure than the other. And it may be the spouse staying home.
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Old 06-16-2011, 11:12 AM
 
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Shameful may not be the right word, but if either spouse stays at home and neither contributes monetarily or by raising kids, the relationship is going to suffer, because one spouse will feel more pressure than the other. And it may be the spouse staying home.
But it wouldn't be shameful if one worked and one took care of the kids right?

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The idea didn't come from feminism. It came from the notion that the man goes to work and the woman must be subservient because she doesn't know any better about the world.
The idea that being a housewife was shameful is rooted in feminism, the extreme wing or not. The OP didn't refer to any specific type of feminism.
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Old 06-16-2011, 11:18 AM
 
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But it wouldn't be shameful if one worked and one took care of the kids right?



The idea that being a housewife was shameful is rooted in feminism, the extreme wing or not. The OP didn't refer to any specific type of feminism.
Please, for your sake...take a history lesson.
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Old 06-16-2011, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Living entirely on one person's economic effort requires more trust than most people are capable of giving. Very few earners, men or women, are willing to turn over their entire paycheck to the homebound spouse and only keep an allowance for lunch or try an run the household on a limited allowance. There is distrust on both side of such a financially unequal relationship.
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Old 06-16-2011, 11:19 AM
 
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But it wouldn't be shameful if one worked and one took care of the kids right?
In my view, correct.

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The idea that being a housewife was shameful is rooted in feminism, the extreme wing or not. The OP didn't refer to any specific type of feminism.
I disagree. Our nation's GDP excludes all household labor, and that's a system created by men, not feminists.
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Old 06-16-2011, 11:23 AM
 
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Please, for your sake...take a history lesson.
Are you telling me that feminism did not set the stage for women to be ashamed of being housewives? We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
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Old 06-16-2011, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Household labor for your spouse is one of the very few jobs that pays as little as room and board. No wonder so many people disparage anyone that would work for so little while trying to force it on all women.
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Old 06-16-2011, 12:25 PM
 
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It sure has destroyed relationships and trust for those under 30. This movement also enforced segregation between men and chicks.
Segregation between the sexes doesn't always have anything to do with feminism. Arab countries aren't feminist, but the genders are very segregated in their daily lives. Another example is that when my parents were kids, boys and girls had separate gym classes. That had nothing to do with feminism.
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