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Old 06-19-2011, 12:50 PM
 
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to settle this, the biggest welfare state in the country is california from the most recent data available (it's hard to get the government to release data in a timely fashion) :

News Headlines


1. California
% of pop. on assistance: 3.30%
2007 spending: $3.28 billion
Total recipients (July 2008): 1,212,893
% Change in past 12 months: 10.4%
Unemployment (May 2009): 11.5%




the others in the top 15 are in the slideshow presentation. rounding out the top 5 are maine, tennessee, massachusetts, and vermont.
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Old 06-19-2011, 12:54 PM
 
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Really? The liabilities of the state are the same after the base closes down?

Bro, you are not worth my time.
Feel free to enlighten me on how much Texas pays to operate Fort Hood?

The base has its OWN.

-Civilian Jobs
-Police.
-Hospitals.
-Schools.
-Transportation.
-Libraries.
-Basically everything.



Now when soldiers go off base and spend that FEDERAL income in the towns and cities on.

-Food
-Cars
-Clothing
-Housing
-ETC ETC ETC..


Who does that benefit?


Who is the NET beneficiary in that relationship
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Old 06-19-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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Who is the NET beneficiary in that relationship
The state is because of the huge amounts of federal money being spent to operate the base.

You consider that welfare, I do not.
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Old 06-19-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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to settle this, the biggest welfare state in the country is california from the most recent data available (it's hard to get the government to release data in a timely fashion) :

News Headlines


1. California
% of pop. on assistance: 3.30%
2007 spending: $3.28 billion
Total recipients (July 2008): 1,212,893
% Change in past 12 months: 10.4%
Unemployment (May 2009): 11.5%




the others in the top 15 are in the slideshow presentation. rounding out the top 5 are maine, tennessee, massachusetts, and vermont.
Only if corporate welfare, federal facilities, highways and various pork is not counted.
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Old 06-19-2011, 01:01 PM
 
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If this argument is really about semantics of what constitutes welfare and what doesn't....

Then will you at least agree that most RED states benefit the most from FEDERAL money in all its forms?
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Old 06-19-2011, 01:11 PM
 
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Would you please provide a link for this? Without one, I am not buying it.


OK...

State and local per-capita welfare spending, FY 2005-2006

Almost all the top recipients are blue states with New York leading the pack.
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Old 06-19-2011, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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ok...

state and local per-capita welfare spending, fy 2005-2006

almost all the top recipients are blue states with new york leading the pack.
2005??
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Old 06-19-2011, 01:15 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Why do people on the right keep saying they don't need the federal government yet are completely dependent on the money they receive from the Feds?

Ironically of the states that TOP THE LIST of Federal money received vs Federal taxes paid 85% are RED STATES.

So why do these Welfare states continue to try and bite the hand that feeds them?

Some of the most NOTORIOUS offenders are Mississippi and Alaska...both of which would collapse into third world status....if not for the Federal government.

TaxProf Blog: Red States Feed at Federal Trough, Blue States Supply the Feed


Added some from 2010 because people think 2004 is so Ancient...

The States That Received The Most Federal Aid: 24/7 Wall Street

AND

http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/...federal-taxes/ (http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/04/18/red-state-moochers-federal-taxes-favor-those-who-complain-the-most-about-federal-taxes/ - broken link)

AND

If Democrats are the big spenders, why do Republican states get the money? - By Shankar Vedantam - Slate Magazine

most the people on welfare in these southern states are black............they don't vote republican either.

I'm a lefty but it is what it is
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Old 06-19-2011, 01:16 PM
 
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2005??
Yeah I'm sure it has completely reversed since then.
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Old 06-19-2011, 01:31 PM
 
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He has no proof....because he makes things up....and completely neglects the fact that without the Federal funds those states would be in WORSE condition than they already are.


Here's another one...

Moderator cut: link removed, linking to competitor sites is not allowed

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