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the dems are complicit, because the Republicans paint the Dems as anti business and anti jobs when they put anything of substance forth. Again we come back to the Republicans being so extremist that they're pulling the dems to the middle. Nowadays middle of the road is considered to be socialism by Fox News. Obama was never very liberal in the first place, he was middle, maybe slightly left, but these extremists in the Republican party are so extreme that anything middle of the road is considered liberal.
The dems just aren't any good at combating the Republican smear campaign. They're incompetent. That, in the end makes them somewhat complicit, but they aren't the perpetrators of the problems our created in our country for the gain of the rich.
" Obama was never very liberal in the first place,". Now there is a smear campaign. Obama was rated the the most liberal in the Senate when he had his brief tour there.
A foreboding sign should have been an indication of what was to come when the Republican led Wall Street collapse decimated American savings and retirement and not one individual who engaged in this massive financial assault has been jailed or even arrested. It was then Republicans and Wall Street realized the American people were impotent to stand against their power as the decades long shift of income to the top 1% of Americans has paid off handsomely. Even in these tough times Wall Streeters have banked billions of dollars in bonuses enjoying a financial windfall exclusively enjoyed by the Republican elite.During this assault, when Democrats were attempting to repair the economy and create jobs, Republicans blocked every piece of their legislation as they ran to Wall Street to garner more bribes to further this assault on families; seniors, children, college students and small businesses.
As Republicans deceive the public with false claims of balancing the budget, or creating jobs which they have not done in more than a decade, they throw out their typical talking points on abortion rights, gay rights, fear of Muslims, fear of immigrants as they work populous into a frenzy; all the while they chip away at the very fabric of American Democracy. The Expendable Middle Class as Republicans Push for Autocracy | America For Purchase
When I look at your thread title I have to wonder if you or your link have looked at how much damage the EPA has done lately in their attempt to force cap and trade thinking on us. What they have been doing is very autocratic and they are doing it because Obama couldn't push it through the Congress. When things are done by law I can accept them but when they are done by people who were appointed, not elected, like they are doing I have to wonder just what that word means.
Nowhere in any of my posts did I not admit that there has been corruption on both sides of the aisle. But...let's get real here...the Democratic Party is the party of the middle class average American.
Just the term "trickle down economics" is laughable as it has already proven not to work, yet the GOP has its supporters actually convonced that it does as they demonize unions and the working class. The GOP fights tooth and nail to protect Wall Street from regulation. Why is that?
A must see video, wherein Thom Hartmann completely destroys the Fox Business meme on entitlement programs (Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security), and the Republican war against working people. Political Ruminations: Republicans Hate the Middle Class
I don't expect any right wingers here will watch the video or read the transcipts and if that is truly the case, do not respond as your post will be based soley on partisanship and self induced ignorance.
Ain't it something. You know that no Republicans will watch your video of read any of its accompaniment but I have caught you at that too many times to let you embarrass me into watching that one. Lets see now, Hartmann is a right leaner, isn't he?
" Obama was never very liberal in the first place,". Now there is a smear campaign. Obama was rated the the most liberal in the Senate when he had his brief tour there.
We aren't talking about since 2004. from what I've read in history, and the ranting of Glenn Beck. There are many presidents that Obama is FAR to the right of. Heck, even Eisenhower, a Republican had 90% taxes on the rich. Obama couldn't even up the rate from 36-39%. He can't close any loopholes for the rich etc.
Here's a couple I think that are more Liberal
1. Either Roosevelt (one created the National Parks, one created the New Deal, take your pick)
2. JFK
3. LBJ
4. Carter
I agree some weren't great. Some however were. I don't think Obama is great. However the point of this is that Obama is not the raging leftist that he is portrayed as being.
A Republican once said this:
[LEFT]“A heavy progressive tax upon a very large fortune is in no way such a tax upon thrift or industry as a like would be on a small fortune. No advantage comes either to the country as a whole or to the individuals inheriting the money by permitting the transmission in their entirety of the enormous fortunes which would be affected by such a tax; and as an incident to its function of revenue raising, such a tax would help to preserve a measurable equality of opportunity for the people of the generations growing to manhood."
The right wing fringe has had America hostage since the idiot actor and his democrat puppets in congress put us on the path to bankruptcy. Saying that Obama was the most liberal in the senate is pointless. He was in the senate for 4 years. Heck Pelosi and Reid aren't that liberal. If they were, the taxes on the rich would have been raised, and there would be a public option.
A foreboding sign should have been an indication of what was to come when the Republican led Wall Street collapse decimated American savings and retirement and not one individual who engaged in this massive financial assault has been jailed or even arrested.
Not a single executive who ran the companies that cooked up and cashed in on the phony financial boom — an industrywide scam that involved the mass sale of mismarked, fraudulent mortgage-backed securities — has ever been convicted. Their names by now are familiar to even the most casual Middle American news consumer: companies like AIG, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America and Morgan Stanley. Most of these firms were directly involved in elaborate fraud and theft. Lehman Brothers hid billions in loans from its investors. Bank of America lied about billions in bonuses. Goldman Sachs failed to tell clients how it put together the born-to-lose toxic mortgage deals it was selling. What’s more, many of these companies had corporate chieftains whose actions cost investors billions — from AIG derivatives chief Joe Cassano, who assured investors they would not lose even “one dollar” just months before his unit imploded, to the $263 million in compensation that former Lehman chief Dick “The Gorilla” Fuld conveniently failed to disclose. Yet not one of them has faced time behind bars. Accounting Fraud- evidently now legal, bankers above the law « Wake-up Call
Now, back on topic...the Republicans fight tooth and nail to keep Wall Street deregulated...Period!
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The right wing fringe has had America hostage since the idiot actor and his democrat puppets in congress put us on the path to bankruptcy. Saying that Obama was the most liberal in the senate is pointless. He was in the senate for 4 years. Heck Pelosi and Reid aren't that liberal. If they were, the taxes on the rich would have been raised, and there would be a public option.
Typical left wing babble.. Its the right wingers fault the left isnt liberal enough
And the fact that you dont think Pelosi, Reid, and Obama are "that liberal", makes me wonder what exactly you think liberals should be doing.. Its scary to think there are so many of you in society
Now, back on topic...the Republicans fight tooth and nail to keep Wall Street deregulated...Period!
Wall Street isnt even close to being deregulated, and it was DEMOCRATS fighting to keep even further regulations from taking hold, claiming the system "isnt broke", under "outstanding management", claimed the GOP was on a witch hunt and "very upset" when the GOP suggested further regulations to stop a future pending collapse.
Were crimes committed? Quite possibly. Did the enforcement and regulatory mechanisms fail to protect the public interest? Probably. Is the political establishment in Washington too beholden to Wall Street interests? I'd say absolutely. But IMO calls to send in SWAT teams after Wall Street execs are a kneejerk reaction that ignores the complexity of the issues.
First, successful prosecutions don't start with executives
Quote:
Eliot Spitzer, who brought dozens of suits against financial institutions between 1999 and 2006, when he was New York’s Attorney General, told me that it wouldn’t be easy to build prosecutions directly tied to the financial crisis. Top bank executives, with the assistance of lawyers and accountants, took care to insulate themselves from the fraudulent activities of mortgage lenders and other low-level players. But, he added, “I’ve always believed you start at the bottom, the credit department of the bank—that’s where the guys with green eyeshades, who don’t get the bonuses, write down what is honest and truthful about their critiques of the loans being made.” As in the Galleon investigation, prosecutors could amass a document trail allowing them to flip someone down below; they could then work their way to the top. Spitzer referred me to a set of documents produced by Clayton Holdings, a company hired by investment banks to evaluate the loans that they were securitizing and selling to investors. In some cases, thirty per cent of the loans were found to be bad, if not fraudulent, yet the banks packaged and traded them anyway. “Just track this,” Spitzer said, “and you’ll be able to make the case that people were willfully blind.”
Second, wrong actions aren't always criminal
Quote:
Bharara seemed equally frustrated by his inability to clear the high bars set up by criminal law and by his critics’ inability to understand why they exist. At times, he got caught in a defensive flurry: “People who did bad things, whether it’s criminal or otherwise, should get punished, there should be some comeuppance, right?” he said. “In any arc in a movie, when someone treated his or her spouse badly, you want to see that person pay for that later. Doesn’t mean it’s a criminal act. There are lots of bad people out there who I can’t charge criminally.”
A foreboding sign should have been an indication of what was to come when the Republican led Wall Street collapse decimated American savings and retirement and not one individual who engaged in this massive financial assault has been jailed or even arrested. It was then Republicans and Wall Street realized the American people were impotent to stand against their power as the decades long shift of income to the top 1% of Americans has paid off handsomely. Even in these tough times Wall Streeters have banked billions of dollars in bonuses enjoying a financial windfall exclusively enjoyed by the Republican elite.During this assault, when Democrats were attempting to repair the economy and create jobs, Republicans blocked every piece of their legislation as they ran to Wall Street to garner more bribes to further this assault on families; seniors, children, college students and small businesses.
As Republicans deceive the public with false claims of balancing the budget, or creating jobs which they have not done in more than a decade, they throw out their typical talking points on abortion rights, gay rights, fear of Muslims, fear of immigrants as they work populous into a frenzy; all the while they chip away at the very fabric of American Democracy. The Expendable Middle Class as Republicans Push for Autocracy | America For Purchase
When are people going to get that we're all seen as expendable by the global elite? The methods used to control people are different, but the end results are the same. The liberal "good cops" buy peoples' complacency with welfare and other freebies from the taxpayers without regard to the cost. They promote policies and behaviors that make people dependent on them. The conservatives are the "bad cops" who are all about starting wars "national security" and people being body scanned at airports in the name of "terrorism".
In the end, when you see what each side actually does (actions vs. words), it's more the same than it is different. 2 different ways of manipulating people. As long as we're kept divided, the elite rules us under different masks and names.
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