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Old 06-29-2011, 07:29 PM
 
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Originally Posted by arctichomesteader View Post
The true character of those homosexual extremists showed through in this juvenile action.
At least they're not trying to ban Southern Baptists' from contracting civil marriages (or from having sex with each other, or from serving in the military, etc). The actions of these "homosexual extremists" towards the Southern Baptists seem very, very mild in comparison to the actions of Southern Baptists extremists towards homosexuals.
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:29 PM
 
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Oh, where to start.

I agree with you. Gays should have 100% equal rights. Also, churches should be able to define marriage however they want within their church - and that's the way it's always been and nobody is trying to change that. Giving homosexual couples the right to contract civil marriages in no way whatsoever disallows a church's right to have its own viewpoint on marriage and in no way whatsoever effects what kinds of marriages it conducts or how it does so.

However, what (some) churches are trying to do is impose their particular beliefs of marriage into our civil, secular law. The effect of doing that is to take away 1400 civil rights from gay people. And yes - take away is the proper term. Tell me, prior to Colorado passing a law in 2006 banning same sex couples from getting married and DOMA being passed in 1996 denying the 1100 federal civil rights of civil marriage to any gay couple anywhere, what law prevented me from contracting a civil marriage with another man and us exercising those 1400 civil rights?
You mean a homosexual didn't sue a site called e-harmony to force them to include homosexuals?
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:31 PM
 
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You mean a homosexual didn't sue a site called e-harmony to force them to include homosexuals?
What does that have to due with anything I was talking about?
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:35 PM
 
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What does that have to due with anything I was talking about?
Because you claim it's some Christians imposing their beliefs. The homosexuals are doing that. Homosexuals were never allowed to marry, never have been in America or England from where this country's settlers first came. The homosexuals are trying to force acceptance of their lifestyle through laws and courts, including suing a site whose target audience were primarily Christians and not homosexuals.
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:38 PM
 
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Because you claim it's some Christians imposing their beliefs. The homosexuals are doing that. Homosexuals were never allowed to marry, never have been in America or England from where this country's settlers first came. The homosexuals are trying to force acceptance of their lifestyle through laws and courts, including suing a site whose target audience were primarily Christians and not homosexuals.
E-Harmony is a private, for-profit company. It's not a church.
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:38 PM
 
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The true character of those homosexual extremists showed through in this juvenile action.
Nobody got hurt. Some feathers were ruffled and a few people got exposed for not having a sense of humor.

On the other hand, the perpetrators of this prank have suffered as a group from the actions of those who were pranked for decades. Ever heard anything nice about gay people from the Southern Baptists? If someone had been badmouthing you, encouraging others to hate you, insisting you were less than they were, what would you do? If you resorted to violence, shame on you. If you resorted to humor and playfulness, then, well, you proved those who judged you to be WRONG.

Unfortunately, the only evidence of a juvenile response here is yours because it completely overlooked the context.
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:40 PM
 
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E-Harmony is a private, for-profit company. It's not a church.
Irrelevant when the issue is whether or not homosexuals are trying to impose their beliefs on others.
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:40 PM
 
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Westboro Baptist Church should have some interesting revenge.
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:41 PM
 
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Because you claim it's some Christians imposing their beliefs. The homosexuals are doing that. Homosexuals were never allowed to marry, never have been in America or England from where this country's settlers first came. The homosexuals are trying to force acceptance of their lifestyle through laws and courts, including suing a site whose target audience were primarily Christians and not homosexuals.
Haha. You're comparing apples to Cadillacs.

E-harmony is a for profit business that provides a service to the public. The Unites States has a law that such businesses cannot discriminate and deny service based on certain things - race, sex, religion, national origin.

Various state have similar laws except that they have added sexual orientation. New Jersey is one such state. E-harmony violated that law and hence was sued - just as gay.com (a gay dating for-profit business) would be sued if it didn't allow heterosexuals to use the site or a gay-owned grocery store that tired to enforce a no-Christian policy would be sued.

This has nothing to do with separation of church and state, religious marriages within churches, and allowing gay couples to contract civil marriages.



edit: Funny enough, the man who defended E-harmony in court (they settled since they were in clear violation of the law) is the same man who argued against prop 8 (for gay marriage) in California - former Republican solicitor general Ted Olson.
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:42 PM
 
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Nobody got hurt. Some feathers were ruffled and a few people got exposed for not having a sense of humor.

On the other hand, the perpetrators of this prank have suffered as a group from the actions of those who were pranked for decades. Ever heard anything nice about gay people from the Southern Baptists? If someone had been badmouthing you, encouraging others to hate you, insisting you were less than they were, what would you do? If you resorted to violence, shame on you. If you resorted to humor and playfulness, then, well, you proved those who judged you to be WRONG.

Unfortunately, the only evidence of a juvenile response here is yours because it completely overlooked the context.
If you're defending this, you're as juvenile as the criminals who did it. Impersonating people, deliberately deceiving people, etc., is not acceptable. The Baptists never encouraged hate of homosexuals, merely rejection of what they view as sinful.
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