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You do realize that Israel is also protecting Palestinians from Iran. In case you haven't looked at a map recently, if Iran nukes or attacks any part of Israel (and we all know it'll aim for Tel Aviv or Jerusalem) the entire West Bank and Gaza Strip will also be liquified.
This on top of the nearly 1.5 Million Israeli Arabs that live in Northern and Central Israel that will also likely perish and/or suffer the horrible aftermaths of bombs.
Which begs the question: Do people who want Israel attacked want to really help Palestinians or just see Israelis (Jew and Arab) killed?
Nobody but Israel sells the propaganda, on regular basis and with predictable consistency, and people like you not only buy it but also demand that the USA come to the rescue.
Of course I'll take Israel over any POS 3rd world middle Eastern Fundamentalist Islamic country out there.
We in the west should have done a better job of dividing up the middle east when we did it the first time! If there is a war in the middle east we could divide Iran out of existance anyway. It's probably about time
Ive always wondered about that myself
people with tunnel vision rarely see both sides. that is the good part about being an objective outsider-you can see all sides of an issue.
right now israel is acting as a provocateur after the UNESCO vote:
Netanyahu also announced on Thursday that Israel was freezing funding to UNESCO after it granted the Palestinians membership on Monday. Israel transfers some $2 million to the UN cultural body annually. A source in the Prime Minister's Office said Netanyahu instead ordered the transfer of those funds to initiatives working toward regional cooperation. Netanyahu's decision followed a recommendation by Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz.
"These moves, such as accepting the Palestinians into UNESCO, will not advance peace but will only drive it farther away," Netanyahu said. "The only way to reach peace is through direct negotiations without preconditions."
State Department officials said on Thursday that Hale and Shapiro had conveyed to Netanyahu's envoy Yitzhak Molcho, National Security Adviser Yaakov Amidror and political adviser Ron Dermer their displeasure with Israel's decision to impose sanctions on the PA.
The sanctions included freezing taxes that Israel collected for the Palestinians in October and not transferring them to the PA. The sum, some $100 million a month, is used by the PA to pay wages to security personnel and government officials and civil servants. Holding up the money means thousands of Palestinian civil servants will not be paid before Eid al-Adha or "Festival of Sacrifice."
Hale and Shapiro told Netanyahu's aides the money belongs to the Palestinians and Israel was obliged to transfer it monthly, as stipulated in agreements. They said the United States expects the money to be transferred to the PA as soon as possible, to avoid a crisis there.
(haaretz).
and, for the record, i am no fan of the festival of sacrifice either.
If anything, Israel would want US involvement (it is why it chooses to bark about invading Iran, every six months or so).Ultimately, it would destroy what is left of the USA.
1) Never heard Israel "barking about invading" Iran. Apparently we listen to different news programs.
2) Of course Israel would prefer the US and Nato to pick up the heavy lifting. The superpowers have the military capabilities and diplomatic advantage. However, if Israel preferred to do it by herself you would accuse them of disproportional aggression and war mongering. As usual, a no win situation with biased people.
3) What "destroy what is left" means?
Nobody but Israel sells the propaganda, on regular basis and with predictable consistency, and people like you not only buy it but also demand that the USA come to the rescue.
Who said I want the USA to come to the rescue????
I'm against the idea of a war in the first place. I don't want the US to get involved with a war against Iran.
But I'm no moron and I also know geography (proves how much people on here actually know about the conflict despite their opinions, lol).
You cannot refute that the land of Israel is small. And the populated part (where 85% of Israelis and Palestinians live, the northern half) is even smaller. You can get from Jerusalem to Gaza in about 75 minutes.
If Iran sends a nuke or bombs flying to Israel, both ends of the coin are screwed.
But not as much as Iran would be when dealing with painful, crippling retaliation from Israel which I don't even want to think about given the IDF's power.
Iran would never nuke Israel as it is considered holy ground. Ahmadinejad has said that if Israel attacks Iran, Iran attacks America. I say screw Israel. I'm fed up with fighting their wars and excusing their barbaric behavior.
This on top of the nearly 1.5 Million Israeli Arabs that live in Northern and Central Israel that will also likely perish and/or suffer the horrible aftermaths of bombs.
Which begs the question: Do people who want Israel attacked want to really help Palestinians or just see Israelis (Jew and Arab) killed?
On that I have to agree with EinsteinsGhost. Its Israeli propaganda aimed at balanced people.
Actually, many Palestinians accept to be wiped off only to see Tel Aviv in flames. That is the sad truth. I remember in 1990, when Saddam attacked Israel with long range missiles, Palestinians were dancing on rooftops expecting the arrival of WMD. When asked by reporters about their "joy" they responded that it doesn't matter (as long as Tel Aviv is in flames) and will be happy to die as "shahids".
Saddam himself was asked the same in an interview (with foreign press) and answered that when you saw wood there is sawdust.
One thing that armchair warriors here in American have absolutely no understanding about is the old world mentality of places like Iran.
Take all the hot rhetoric coming from Iran and Syria about what they're going to do to Israel...it's basically like NFL players trash talking before a big game about how they're hurt the other guy, and end his career and what not. Some of it needs to be taken with a grain of salt and seen for what it is.
The thing about Iran and mid-East cultures (including Israel) is that it's important to be seen negotiating from a position of strength. That is why Western attempts to isolate, sanction, and threaten Iran frequently backfire, because the whole mentality dictates that Iran cannot negotiate unless it is given the opportunity to save some face.
Sheesh...didn't we learn anything from the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962? You can't just shove your agenda down the throats of everyone and expect 100 percent capitulation 100 percent of the time.
On that I have to agree with EinsteinsGhost. Its Israeli propaganda aimed at balanced people.
Actually, many Palestinians accept to be wiped off only to see Tel Aviv in flames. That is the sad truth. I remember in 1990, when Saddam attacked Israel with long range missiles, Palestinians were dancing on rooftops expecting the arrival of WMD. When asked by reporters about their "joy" they responded that it doesn't matter (as long as Tel Aviv is in flames) and will be happy to die as "shahids".
Saddam himself was asked the same in an interview (with foreign press) and answered that when you saw wood there is sawdust.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Screw those weirdos and freaks who want to die just to see their enemy destroyed.
Actually my friend, most Palestinians, despite their objection towards Israel's policies, want to just live their daily lives in safety and security and make a living.
No, they don't all want to sacrifice themselves just to see Jews and Israel die. They don't want to see Israel get attacked and nuked, and they definitely only want the best for their children. They ride the same buses as Israelis and shop in the same businesses.
And who is "they" that responded with joy? The Islamic Jihad? Who cares about them?
One thing that armchair warriors here in American have absolutely no understanding about is the old world mentality of places like Iran.
Take all the hot rhetoric coming from Iran and Syria about what they're going to do to Israel...it's basically like NFL players trash talking before a big game about how they're hurt the other guy, and end his career and what not. Some of it needs to be taken with a grain of salt and seen for what it is.
The thing about Iran and mid-East cultures (including Israel) is that it's important to be seen negotiating from a position of strength. That is why Western attempts to isolate, sanction, and threaten Iran frequently backfire, because the whole mentality dictates that Iran cannot negotiate unless it is given the opportunity to save some face.
Sheesh...didn't we learn anything from the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962? You can't just shove your agenda down the throats of everyone and expect 100 percent capitulation 100 percent of the time.
This is actually one of the most insightful posts on the thread. We have to look at the psychology of all the actors. We keep expecting Ahmadinejad to back down at the threat of sanctions, wars, etc, but the reality on the streets of Tehran is that if he made the "reasonable" choice to back down, it would fuel a movement that would make the Green Movement look like Occupy Wall Street by comparison. So if he loses face like this, he'll either be overthrown by his enemies or involuntarily replaced by the Ayatollah. The people of Iran do not support their government, but they have no love for Israel either.
Obviously I want him overthrown as much as the next person, but we have to realize he's going to hold on to power with the tenacity of an intestinal parasite.
One thing that armchair warriors here in American have absolutely no understanding about is the old world mentality of places like Iran.
Take all the hot rhetoric coming from Iran and Syria about what they're going to do to Israel...it's basically like NFL players trash talking before a big game about how they're hurt the other guy, and end his career and what not. Some of it needs to be taken with a grain of salt and seen for what it is.
The thing about Iran and mid-East cultures (including Israel) is that it's important to be seen negotiating from a position of strength. That is why Western attempts to isolate, sanction, and threaten Iran frequently backfire, because the whole mentality dictates that Iran cannot negotiate unless it is given the opportunity to save some face.
Sheesh...didn't we learn anything from the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962? You can't just shove your agenda down the throats of everyone and expect 100 percent capitulation 100 percent of the time.
excellent post
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I'll take Israel over any POS 3rd world middle Eastern Fundamentalist Islamic country out there. 
