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What does insults have to do with anything? No one cares if Christians are insulted any more than white supremists were insulted by interracial marriage.
So you think Christians = white supremists. OOOKKKAAAAYYYYY.
The cause isn't set back by your opinion. If you want homosexuals not to marry put forth some reasons ( other than biblical). Other than that the train has already left. You can be on the wrong side of history or the right side, it's your choice.
I guess you haven't read very much of this thread and all the reasons that was posted. A lot of them are not biblical.
Feeling you are not the sex you were born with is transgender/transsexual and today people can have a sex change operation. A bi-sexual is attracted to both sexes and can have both attractions no matter what sex they are. At least, that is how I understand it. It can get complicated.
Most people do not believe in reincarnation. Most believe in one life for each person, at least in our country. We could get into a lot of thoughts on marriage if we include other religious views. India for instance and the way they believe animals were once people in another life. Then we could get marriages of all kinds.
actually most of the world believes in reincarnation and many people who have had near death experiences come back with a belief in reincarnation because it's one of the truths that they've discovered while they were in the spirit world
Why can't a civil contract handle all of this? A lot of people make up relationships they want. I heard of a couple who adopted a girl who was already grown because they never had children and the girl never had parents and was in foster care. They formed a close bond as parents and child. I'm not sure how they are handling it with insurance, etc but I am sure they have all those benefits.
You can make up any will you want to have, no one is stopping you.
a marriage is not the same as a 'will' and our partnerships are JUST as valid as YOURS. how about you stop thinking you deserve special rights that come from the government (which is unconstitutional) because you happen to be born straight and not gay.
I guess you haven't read very much of this thread and all the reasons that was posted. A lot of them are not biblical.
That is fine because there are absolutely zero secular reasons to deny homosexuals the right to marry that don't involve some kind of fallacy or some kind of guised appeal to religiosity.
actually most of the world believes in reincarnation and many people who have had near death experiences come back with a belief in reincarnation because it's one of the truths that they've discovered while they were in the spirit world
I haven't read about those experiences only about the ones who come back certain there is a life beyond this. They call it heaven.
You're free to show me where I said that those who don't want to let homosexuals marry are the same as white supremacy instead of like white supremists in the historical context of being on the wrong side of history.
You're free to show me where I said that those who don't want to let homosexuals marry are the same as white supremacy instead of like white supremists in the historical context of being on the wrong side of history.
Well it all depends on what the word is is. You must be a lawyer.
Well societies set up relationships to be that way for a reason. Mostly for the protection of children and inheritance concerns for them. Society can't be everything to all people. A lot of people find out when a spouse dies how unprotected they really are, not just gays.
Yes, but our society was set up to value freedom and liberty and the equal treatment of people under our secular law.
And these invidiously discriminatory laws harm and hurt gay people in real ways.
I'll tell my friend Ben's story. Ben is my best friend from college. He's one of the smartest people I've ever known. Ben is gay. After college, Ben received a Fulbright Scholarship to study retrovirus assembly, and he did so at Charles University in Prague. While there, he met and fell in love with a man. If Ben were straight and Lukas were a women, they'd be married and living happily here in the US (probably in Ben's hometown of Seattle). However, since they're gay, they were forced to make a decision: not be together, or live a very stressful itinerant lifestyle. They chose the latter.
Ben and Lukas, for the last 4 years, have been going back on forth between Prague and Seattle however they can: temporary tourist visas, an occasional work visa if Ben can wing a job in a lab in Prague, etc, etc, etc. Usually only one can work at a time (the person in his native country), and that creates a lot of problems - financial and social (since one is basically sitting around in a foreign country with little to do for 6 months while the other is off working to support them both).
If Ben simply had the right to contract a civil marriage, he wouldn't have to put up with this BS. He wouldn't be broke from not having a career because he has to fly between two continents every 6 months simply to be with the man he loves. If he could simply get married (well, DOMA would have to be repealed to because even married gay couples are denied spousal immigration visas), he's probably be finishing up an MD-Phd program.
I find this deplorable.
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