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Old 08-06-2011, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I think you don't understand the financial impact.
Perhaps you could tell me what the financial impact to the taxpayer is, in dollars and cents, and % of GDP.
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Old 08-06-2011, 08:26 PM
 
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Perhaps you could tell me what the financial impact to the taxpayer is, in dollars and cents, and % of GDP.
Obviously I cannot, but if the patient is covered by a government health plan the taxpayers will foot the bill. That is not acceptable to me in this current climate of US financial instability.
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Old 08-06-2011, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Southern Illinois
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Don't forget all of the regulatory departments that will have to be created for this, and the numerous federal personnel that will be required to staff the offices. More federal cars, SUV's for very rural areas. etc. etc. I could probably think of many more. The big problem being generational welfare families will NOT take them. If they quit having kids they don't get that monthly check.
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Old 08-06-2011, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Obviously I cannot, but if the patient is covered by a government health plan the taxpayers will foot the bill. That is not acceptable to me in this current climate of US financial instability.
The feds are footing the bill now for Medicaid. I can't think of any other govt. program that would pay for BCP. Possibly SCHIP for older girls and for acne treatment, cramps, etc.

In Colorado, the copays for prescription drugs are $1 for generics and $3 for brand name drugs. Obviously, eliminating these for BCP is not going to result in a huge cost to the fed/state. For SCHIP in Colorado, the co-pays are $2-$5. Again, eliminating these co-pays for BCP will hardly bankrupt our state, and may help prevent some unwanted pregnancies, which would be a good thing, IMO.

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Don't forget all of the regulatory departments that will have to be created for this, and the numerous federal personnel that will be required to staff the offices. More federal cars, SUV's for very rural areas. etc. etc. I could probably think of many more. The big problem being generational welfare families will NOT take them. If they quit having kids they don't get that monthly check.
WTH??? This is a bunch of BS. The mechanisms for these programs are already in place.
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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It is one or the other. Sorry for the inconvenience.
It shouldn't be one or the other, though. People should have to deal with their own issues, period. It should not be a choice of $5 now or $500 later.

Btw, this thread is not about poor people, it's about people with insurance and the fact that Obamacare mandates health insurance companies pay for BC in full.
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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It shouldn't be one or the other, though. People should have to deal with their own issues, period.
So we should do away with insurance since the whole idea of insurance is other people paying for other people's issues.
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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Personally I think insurance is at the root of most of the issues in health care today. I would love to see them removed from the picture... my complaint with Obamacare is that they play a role in it.

Let me give you an example of what insurance brings to us.

I go to the Chiropractor I have had 2 primarily I had no insurance one charged me $20 and the other charges me $40

If I go the way of insurance the $20 one charged the insurance co $75 and I think the new one exceeds $120. So basically Insurance causes a 3x escalation in the costs. Do youwonder why health care costs have gone up so much in the last 30 years?

If I know what service I need I should be able to opt for that only instead of being charged for a nurse to take a temp I know is fine, or for them to check my BP which I also know is fine. Insurance companies cause us to get more service and pay for it than is needed.

Insurance is not our friend The health care laws came about to a great extent to counteract the actions of insurance companies.
The issue is that most people don't understand how insurance even works. A provider must bill an amount that exceeds what the insurance will pay out so they can get the full allowed amount. The insurance pays whatever the contracted amount is. That contract may differ between insurance companies, it depends what has been agreed upon when the contract was set up. I don't think they charge individually for taking a temp and BP, etc., that probably goes under some kind of initial workup or whatever, it depends on what is being done and where you're at, I imagine. Getting those things done at a routine checkup is billed as part of that checkup, not as each individual service. Take a look at the statements your insurance company sends when it pays something, it's quite enlightening.

That being said, I agree that the whole thing needs to be reformed. Healthcare costs are very high and there is a variety of reasons for that.
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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The feds are footing the bill now for Medicaid. I can't think of any other govt. program that would pay for BCP. Possibly SCHIP for older girls and for acne treatment, cramps, etc.

In Colorado, the copays for prescription drugs are $1 for generics and $3 for brand name drugs. Obviously, eliminating these for BCP is not going to result in a huge cost to the fed/state. For SCHIP in Colorado, the co-pays are $2-$5. Again, eliminating these co-pays for BCP will hardly bankrupt our state, and may help prevent some unwanted pregnancies, which would be a good thing, IMO.

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WTH??? This is a bunch of BS. The mechanisms for these programs are already in place.
Did you just say that the 53 or 54 new bureaucracies that will be need to run Obamacare have already been installed and we are still 2 years away from it going into effect. Mercy me think of the money being wasted paying those bureaucrats and they aren't even working yet. How wasteful is out Obama administration? How many guaranteed votes does he have from those people who don't have to work but do get paid. I think that as I learn more and more about that law I like it less and less.
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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So we should do away with insurance since the whole idea of insurance is other people paying for other people's issues.
Not at all but we should not have the government mandating that businesses pay for people who they want to insure, up to a point. Your question that ws written like so many of mine with a period at the end is at least as asinine as any I have seen today and I have seen many, even my own.
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Not at all but we should not have the government mandating that businesses pay for people who they want to insure, up to a point. Your question that ws written like so many of mine with a period at the end is at least as asinine as any I have seen today and I have seen many, even my own.
I didn't ask a question, I made a statement, hence the period.

I still don't understand how people can rail against paying for other people's health care in one breath, and write a check to an insurance company in the next.
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