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Obama is a marxist. Just because he is unable to act that way does not make him a conservative. We have him in a box and will keep him there until the trash can be emptied in 2012.
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Oh, yes, he is. Unfortunately for him the Constitution gets in the way so he can't be like Hugo Chavez. FDR had a similar problem during his presidency.
LOL. Why even bother, then? You're so set in your ignorance that you're going to claim hes doing something, even when he isn't, and you just admitted that. Oh, and what is it then, is he ignoring the Constitution or is it stopping his "MARXIST SOCIALIST *WORDGLENNBECKTAUGHTYOUTHISWEEK*" agenda?
You righties need to get your ignorant, manufactured talking points in order.
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So I guess in your mind Obamacare is a center-right piece of legislature?
It's the Republican plan from 1993.
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Yup, it's pretty amazing first they say that Hitler was a right-wing
conservative then they claim that Obama is a conservative. Go figure.
- They didn't like idealism.
- They were Nationalists.
- The thought anyone who was supporting the war was committing. Anyone watch FOX from the Iraq War on?
- They were anti-intellectual. Born the books, bury the scholars. Does that sound leftist? The right is the side that calls people elitist for being culturally educated.
- Prejudice against gays. Does that sound like the left?
- Obsession with traditional values. They were Social Conservatives.
- They wanted no mixing of cultures.
- The constantly invoked the name of God.
Right wing.
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I've listened to enough of his class warfare speeches to make my mind on who he is.
Will you guys quit being so damn over dramatic. Why are things only allowed to move in one direction? Just lower, lower, lower. Bringing back the tax rates that existed and worked just fine 10 years ago, isn't class warfare. Oh, and BTW, I'm sick of this false narrative that closing tax loopholes for Corporations is anti-business. It's not. It's making sure multi millionaires can't exploit the system in this one particular instance...
I've listened to enough of his class warfare speeches to make my mind on who he is.
Why is it that when Reagan and Bush lowered taxes for the richest among us and correspondingly cut aid to the states and programs that the middle-class uses, that's NOT 'class warfare' but when someone suggests to reverse the regressive policies, the right-wing stands up and yells "Class Warfare!!!"
War was declared on the progressive tax system and popular social programs decades ago. Wake up and smell the coffee.
To suggest that the ACA is an example of 'Socialism' when it was actually almost exactly what the Republicans in Congress presented as their alternative to Bill Clinton's health care proposal, speaks for itself.
This was clear early into his presidency, and there were plenty of figures making this argument prior to his election.
Unfortunately you've addressed yourself to the right-wingers on this forum, and as the posts in this thread should make clear, few of them are willing or capable to grasp the right-ward tilt of the Democratic Party and Obama's obvious neoliberal tactics.
Obama is a Marxist, which is why he used public funds to prop up a private institution, then allowed it to remain private.
Obama is a Marxist, which is why his health care reform is predicated on reliance upon private institutions.
Obama is a Marxist, which is why his presidency has been marked by increasing social stratification and the continual alienation of the working class.
People who call Obama a Marxist have no clue what Marxism is about, and attempting to school them on things that require more than 10 seconds of thought is tantamount to bashing your head against a brick wall. I recommend you cease and desist immediately.
LOLz. The meanings evolve over time as societies do. Conservatism in its truest form simply means supporting traditional institutions and minimal changes to society. From there, conservatism gets broken down into smaller categories that arise do to external factors.
No, conservatism in its truest form simply means keeping the federal government within its constitutional bounds.
This was clear early into his presidency, and there were plenty of figures making this argument prior to his election.
Unfortunately you've addressed yourself to the right-wingers on this forum, and as the posts in this thread should make clear, few of them are willing or capable to grasp the right-ward tilt of the Democratic Party and Obama's obvious neoliberal tactics.
Obama is a Marxist, which is why he used public funds to prop up a private institution, then allowed it to remain private.
Obama is a Marxist, which is why his health care reform is predicated on reliance upon private institutions.
Obama is a Marxist, which is why his presidency has been marked by increasing social stratification and the continual alienation of the working class.
People who call Obama a Marxist have no clue what Marxism is about, and attempting to school them on things that require more than 10 seconds of thought is tantamount to bashing your head against a brick wall. I recommend you cease and desist immediately.
Jeez, the righties call Obama a Marxist. The guy isn't even a liberal. All of his policies are squarely centrist and a few conservative. Throwing the public option under the bus should have been an indication. Maintaining upper-income tax-cuts is another. There is no policy evidence under this Admin to indicate an sort of Marxism.
Jeez, the righties call Obama a Marxist. The guy isn't even a liberal. All of his policies are squarely centrist and a few conservative. Throwing the public option under the bus should have been an indication. Maintaining upper-income tax-cuts is another. There is no policy evidence under this Admin to indicate an sort of Marxism.
I don't get what this post is supposed to be telling me. Perhaps you misunderstood my comments.
What happened here is that you guys slid the center too far left. Now even center-right (which is what America is) now looks like far far right compared to the center. BTW, Obama is NOT a Conservative. He is a damn Marxist/Progressive who wants to get re-elected to continue shoving things through that the people don't want.
So true. While there are just now peeling back the layers of obfuscation, but Obama's Jobs bill has already been discovered to be full of land mines, booby traps and other disasterous provisions (such as getting rid of tax deduction for mortgate interest, as well as state and local taxes pad.
I find it silly to call Obama a Conservative, which he isn't.
I don't get what this post is supposed to be telling me. Perhaps you misunderstood my comments.
Your post (#73) countered the claim that Obama is a Marxist. I was furthering that point.
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