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Old 09-18-2011, 12:07 PM
 
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Any one on the board who actually lives in the arctic and can weigh in with some observable differences in their locale in the last 40-50 years?
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Old 09-18-2011, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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You know, I think the deniers (those that swear AGW is happening) would be happy to learn that decades ago the Arctic was apparently much, much warmer than today.....no?

But then....that would blow to smithereens the meme from the AGWarmists that the situation is dire, dire, dire, wouldn't it? Can't let that happen.
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Old 09-18-2011, 12:33 PM
 
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Any one on the board who actually lives in the arctic and can weigh in with some observable differences in their locale in the last 40-50 years?
And what good will this do?

Why not use the data that's been collected by the University of Illinois for the last few decades?

I know facts are scary things for GW's but........

Polar Sea Ice Cap and Snow - Cryosphere Today

-----> OBSERVABLE DIFFERENCES <------

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/deetest/deetmp.23751.png (broken link)

Lets go back to 1979.....

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/deetest/deetmp.24190.png (broken link)

Hmmmm huge amount of Global Warming, right?

You GW'ers kill me.....

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Old 09-18-2011, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Another day and yet one more anti-climate change post from a wingnut. LOL, there are a few of you who are much more predictable than the weather.
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I find it interesting that Perry denies global climate change too while his state, Texas, has just experienced the hottest temperatures on record. A record setting drought. Oh yea, the whole state is on fire.
From June 1595 through June 1604 there was a major drought in the Southeast US. That drought was responsible for the collapse of all 3 of the Roanoke (Virginia) Colonies.

Man-made Global Warming? Wrong answer.

From May 1679 through May 1688 a mini Ice-Age resulted in near famine conditions in the New England Colonies and Atlantic Coast Colonies. The ground was frozen solid from about August through June, leaving only 6 weeks to till the soil, plant crops and harvest them. Below what would now be Interstate 80, the growing season was a little longer, about 10 weeks.

Man-made Global Warming? Man-made Global Cooling? Wrong answer.

From April 1763 through April 1772 a drought in the Atlantic Coast Colonies resulted in near-famine conditions. The drought, in combination with rolling recessions in many European kingdoms precipitated by the collapse of the British East India Trading Company brought trade to a virtual halt between Britain and its American Colonies. The recession and lack of trade led Britain to enact various tax acts, including the Stamp Tax Act (leading to the creation of the Stamp Tax Congress), the Tea Tax (leading to the Boston Tea Party) and other acts. That in turn led to the War of Colonial Independence. Cash-strapped farmers nearing bankruptcy during the drought were all too glad to sell their crops to the Continental Congress on credit. The Congress promptly defaulted on debts leaving the farmers high and dry. The new government under the Articles of Confederation levied taxes on the farmers leading to the Whiskey Rebellion, Shay's Rebellion and many other rebellions most of you never heard of in your life. That in turn led to the creation of the Constitutional government.

Man-made Global Warming? Wrong answer.

From March 1847 through June 1855 a drought in the Southeastern US resulted in economic distress for the Southern States. The Northern States all too gladly price-gouged the South on food-crops. When the South negotiated a deal with Britain to trade cotton for food, the Northern States promptly enacted a tariff to force the South to continue to buy price-gouged food-crops. That, in part, influenced many southern States later to secede from the Union. In response, Lincoln created the Department of Agriculture in 1862 to help alleviate problems caused by food shortages due to droughts.

Man-made Global Warming? Wrong answer.

From June 1930 through June 1939, a major drought affected the Central Plain States from Montana/the Dakotas south to Texas. It's commonly referred to as the Dust Bowl. More than 2.5 Million people were forced to permanently flee their homes due to advancing dust which destroyed towns. There was a medical condition called "dust pneumonia" which killed thousands of people. Dust storms were large and wide-spread, causing people in Chicago, Cincinnati and Washington, DC to drive with their head-lights on during the day so that they could see. In Texas and Oklahoma, dust storms engulfed whole towns for hours turning day into night and causing massive damage.

Man-made Global Warming? Wrong answer.

You might want to actually get with the program.
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Old 09-18-2011, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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I find it interesting that Perry denies global climate change too while his state, Texas, has just experienced the hottest temperatures on record. A record setting drought. Oh yea, the whole state is on fire.

Maybe God is responsible, or the bogey man, or maybe it really is global climate change.
Oh gosh, we had the snowiest winter in history in the north east, I guess that means global warming is a hoax? Don't the alarmists tell us weather isn't climate?
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Old 09-18-2011, 01:53 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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From June 1595 through June 1604 there was a major drought in the Southeast US. That drought was responsible for the collapse of all 3 of the Roanoke (Virginia) Colonies.

Man-made Global Warming? Wrong answer.

From May 1679 through May 1688 a mini Ice-Age resulted in near famine conditions in the New England Colonies and Atlantic Coast Colonies. The ground was frozen solid from about August through June, leaving only 6 weeks to till the soil, plant crops and harvest them. Below what would now be Interstate 80, the growing season was a little longer, about 10 weeks.

Man-made Global Warming? Man-made Global Cooling? Wrong answer.

From April 1763 through April 1772 a drought in the Atlantic Coast Colonies resulted in near-famine conditions. The drought, in combination with rolling recessions in many European kingdoms precipitated by the collapse of the British East India Trading Company brought trade to a virtual halt between Britain and its American Colonies. The recession and lack of trade led Britain to enact various tax acts, including the Stamp Tax Act (leading to the creation of the Stamp Tax Congress), the Tea Tax (leading to the Boston Tea Party) and other acts. That in turn led to the War of Colonial Independence. Cash-strapped farmers nearing bankruptcy during the drought were all too glad to sell their crops to the Continental Congress on credit. The Congress promptly defaulted on debts leaving the farmers high and dry. The new government under the Articles of Confederation levied taxes on the farmers leading to the Whiskey Rebellion, Shay's Rebellion and many other rebellions most of you never heard of in your life. That in turn led to the creation of the Constitutional government.

Man-made Global Warming? Wrong answer.

From March 1847 through June 1855 a drought in the Southeastern US resulted in economic distress for the Southern States. The Northern States all too gladly price-gouged the South on food-crops. When the South negotiated a deal with Britain to trade cotton for food, the Northern States promptly enacted a tariff to force the South to continue to buy price-gouged food-crops. That, in part, influenced many southern States later to secede from the Union. In response, Lincoln created the Department of Agriculture in 1862 to help alleviate problems caused by food shortages due to droughts.

Man-made Global Warming? Wrong answer.

From June 1930 through June 1939, a major drought affected the Central Plain States from Montana/the Dakotas south to Texas. It's commonly referred to as the Dust Bowl. More than 2.5 Million people were forced to permanently flee their homes due to advancing dust which destroyed towns. There was a medical condition called "dust pneumonia" which killed thousands of people. Dust storms were large and wide-spread, causing people in Chicago, Cincinnati and Washington, DC to drive with their head-lights on during the day so that they could see. In Texas and Oklahoma, dust storms engulfed whole towns for hours turning day into night and causing massive damage.

Man-made Global Warming? Wrong answer.

You might want to actually get with the program.


YIKES!!


You killed this thread!
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Old 09-18-2011, 02:01 PM
 
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And what good will this do?

Why not use the data that's been collected by the University of Illinois for the last few decades?

I know facts are scary things for GW's but........

Polar Sea Ice Cap and Snow - Cryosphere Today

-----> OBSERVABLE DIFFERENCES <------



Lets go back to 1979.....



Hmmmm huge amount of Global Warming, right?

You GW'ers kill me.....

Never let facts get in the way of religion. The GWs KNOW that they are correct, as "science" tells them so. The problem is that they would not recognize a legitimate scientific study if it crawled up and bit them in the a*s. Nonetheless, that does not prevent them from presuming to be academically correct, as they are liberals and have inherent intellectual superiority to espouse "the facts", even if they are grossly incorrect. That is the smug comfort and pride of those of low intellect who are unable to recognize thier error, simply due to thier primary condition. It is ironic that the unenlightened have exclusively claimed the high ground of academics, but are unable to defend thier position through introspection and debate, which reveals thier true selves.
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Old 09-18-2011, 02:07 PM
 
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Haven't we been burning fossil fuels during all of those times as well?
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Old 09-18-2011, 02:11 PM
 
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Excellent thread title as this proves out the fear mongering the global crew likes to throw around. When presented with these articles all they have to say is..........well...........nothing. Puts into context the hysteria they have tried to create today. Time for em to punt and try the global cooling game again it seems too.
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Old 09-18-2011, 02:12 PM
 
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Haven't we been burning fossil fuels during all of those times as well?
Fossil fuels have been used in various forms throughout history. Can you show a direct relationship between their use and that of the changing climate?

If so, please provide some evidence that properly supports this position to the level the AGW position implies.
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