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Real science only matters to the left when they agree with it.
Oh... pulleeze. My experience is that neither the right nor left has a monopoly on stressing the science that best supports their agenda. But the global warming debate is unique in all of American political history. There is no obvious precedent where a political wing has so tendentiously fought the consensus of the scientific community... with the non-American exception of Lysenkoism in the Soviet Union. And in that analogy, the conservatives are embarrassingly in the role of the Soviet Politburo.
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Facts, such as life begins at inception do not matter.
Ignoring that you probably meant "conception", under no stretch of the imagination is that a fact... Unless of course you contend that ova and sperm are dead.
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Just a question, why have there been so many different ice ages throughout the history of earth?
Nobody is certain, actually... but that's quite irrelevant. The waxing and waning of ice ages is a phenomenon measured in thousands of years, not decades. There is no rational way to analogize any natural cycle of climate change with that of human caused global warming or to consider them an any way comparable in effect or capacity for harm.
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Did you further realize that we, as a species, have only thrived due to a warming period, with killer periods called "mini ice ages"?
This claim is palpable nonsense. The human capacity for technology is what has accounted for our ability to thrive in multiple environments... not the end of the ice age. Need I point out that, due to technology, modern humans have had no problem settling above the Arctic Circle as least as far back as the pre-Inuit Dorset culture more than 2500 years ago. Our species does not depend on the weather to thrive. Specific cultures, nations and individuals however? That's a whole 'nother thing.
It is significant that you note the hardship caused by "mini-ice ages." Of course... such a position is profoundly Eurocentric... the Little Ice Age was not such an awful thing to parts of Africa and the Middle East. But it is fascinating that you did not gather any relevant lessons from them. The Little Ice Age did not cause hardship because it introduced some sort of new or unique environment, but because it occurred faster than the impacted human populations could respond materially. As a result... there were winners and losers, but more of the latter than former.
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Did you know that food grows better in a warm, CO2 fulled atmosphere than the opposite?
I am always amazed at the naivete with which the contra-consensus group tries to use this assertion. Crops grow best where they are best suited to grow, period. All other things being equal, crops will grow better in a high CO2 atmosphere... but that will not be helpful if there is no place for them.
Global warming does not mean that existing farms will be more productive. It means that existing farms will cease to be productive at all, while whole new agricultural industries will need to be created... in just a handful of generations.
All our most important food crops are temperate zone crops. As the globe warms, the temperate zone moves north (in our hemisphere) and south in the southern. Look at any good map of the earth. The southern hemisphere will starve as net arable land is lost. In the northern hemisphere, the agricultural losers are Europe and the United States... the winners are Canada and Asian Russia.
Think about that for a moment and ponder on the implications to geopolitical power.
These are the problems with global warming. Not because it's bad for animals. Not because it's bad for the earth. But because it is bad for us. The short term desire to take advantage of still inexpensive fossil fuels will prove to have been penny wise and pound foolish when major global cities have to be relocated inland, or massive d*ke systems need to be built. Sure... it's most problematic for Asia (think Shanghai) or India... but say goodby forever to big chunks of Miami, New Orleans, Tampa and Virginia Beach. That's expensive. And disruptive.
If you think quality of human life has fallen during the recession, you ain't seen nothing yet.
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How many of those articles in the OP did you read? Someone earlier said that you, and you are among the group, tend to ignore links or just try so hard to deflect. Maybe you should bore yourself reading things like in the OP.
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Ain't It Tha Dang Truth !
Whats up with a select few of our CDF buddies dat jest ain't readin ah bloody thang on the forum these hear days ???
Nobody has convinced me yet that there is no problem, terms of abuse are not arguments. When scientists and experts don't agree, who am I do decide who's right?
Caution has never hurt. I don't like the American approach of risking all and destroying things in the process, and afterwards trying to repair the damage.
But that's where exactly the problem is. It's been said that this is not a problem, that this is just a cycle, and people still want to take the alarmist stance and risk killing billions of Third Worlders because we won't let them have electricity in the name of saving the planet. Europe and the U.S. ship all their industry to Asia because of carbon taxes and carbon regulations, yet Asia is allowed to emit as much CO2 as they want. The net effect is that the environment gets worse.
I'm all for reducing pollution. However, what you and I disagree on is whther CO2 is a pollutant or not, and I say it's not. It's what you and I breathe OUT and trees breathe in!
Teachers' unions happened. The root of so many of the liberal plague in our country and across the world starts at the elementary school. You own the children, you own the future. Right now, the Left owns the children and we have to bust the teachers' unions in our publicly funded education systems from K-12 to university if people are gonna have common sense again, instead of brainwashing
In conjunction with that, and arguably as a result of that, the social side of our national political agenda has been completely feminized. Women are in full control and have been for at least 20 years. This issue, along with the "gay" agenda, has been brought front and center by vigorous support and activism of women and would have remained far back on the back burner if men had retained their dominant influence.
No offense, Sanrene. You must know that you're an exception (good for you )....that for every one of you there are 3 or 4 or 5 liberal Progressive women who vehemently support every single item on the Progressive agenda line by line.
In conjunction with that, and arguably as a result of that, the social side of our national political agenda has been completely feminized. Women are in full control and have been for at least 20 years. This issue, along with the "gay" agenda, has been brought front and center by vigorous support and activism of women and would have remained far back on the back burner if men had retained their dominant influence.
No offense, Sanrene. You must know that you're an exception (good for you )....that for every one of you there are 3 or 4 or 5 progressive women who vehemently support every single item on the Progressive agenda line by line.
Anyway, getting back on topic. The Left also likes to fearmonger and tell everyone that a, b, and c MUST be done at all costs, or we MIGHT have a problem in the FUTURE. This is emotion driven logic, and usually poorly thought out. AGW is one of those things, but peel back the onion layers, and we find out it has zero to do with clean air, but everything to do with population control, control of money, and centralization of government under one international body
How did we morph from global warming to our national political agenda has been completely feminized???
Amazing how people try to hijack threads...
Just some commentary as to how we got to this point over time that I thought was relevant. Hijack is a bit of a stretch, but clearly you're free to disagree.
Anyway, getting back on topic. The Left also likes to fearmonger and tell everyone that a, b, and c MUST be done at all costs, or we MIGHT have a problem in the FUTURE. This is emotion driven logic, and usually poorly thought out. AGW is one of those things, but peel back the onion layers, and we find out it has zero to do with clean air, but everything to do with population control, control of money, and centralization of government under one international body
Exactly - it's been a political agenda and a "solution" in search of a problem from the get-go.
Just some commentary as to how we got to this point over time that I thought was relevant. Hijack is a bit of a stretch, but clearly you're free to disagree.
We got to this point because of Al Gore, not women.
Pictures tell it better than words.The pics clearly show the ice caps are melting .To humanity though,it won't be a problem until it's too late.
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