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Old 09-21-2011, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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My god, I cant believe you arent embarassed to post this crap.

Denver Daily - Home ownership not a right

Car ownership isnt a right either, according to your argument, the government should buy everyone cars as well.
Okay, so you won't be squeaking in anger against oppressive government if it took away your home since it ain't your right. I guess home doesn't count as property. Only right along the lines applies to property but not homes which ain't a property. Nice.

Anything else for the daily amusement?
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Old 09-21-2011, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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No. He wanted to open up FM/FM to privateers. Basically, the idea to privatize everything and benefit.
wrong

House Financial Services Committee hearing, Sept. 10, 2003:

Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass.): I worry, frankly, that there's a tension here. The more people, in my judgment, exaggerate a threat of safety and soundness, the more people conjure up the possibility of serious financial losses to the Treasury, which I do not see. I think we see entities that are fundamentally sound financially and withstand some of the disaster scenarios.

Rep. Maxine Waters (D., Calif.), speaking to Housing and Urban Development Secretary Mel Martinez:

Secretary Martinez, if it ain't broke, why do you want to fix it? Have the GSEs [government-sponsored enterprises] ever missed their housing goals?

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House Financial Services Committee hearing, Sept. 25, 2003:

Rep. Frank: I do think I do not want the same kind of focus on safety and soundness that we have in OCC [Office of the Comptroller of the Currency] and OTS [Office of Thrift Supervision]. I want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation towards subsidized housing

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House Financial Services Committee hearing, Sept. 25, 2003:

Rep. Gregory Meeks, (D., N.Y.): . . . I am just pissed off at Ofheo [Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight] because if it wasn't for you I don't think that we would be here in the first place. And Freddie Mac, who on its own, you know, came out front and indicated it is wrong, and now the problem that we have and that we are faced with is maybe some individuals who wanted to do away with GSEs in the first place, you have given them an excuse to try to have this forum so that we can talk about it and maybe change the direction and the mission of what the GSEs had, which they have done a tremendous job. . .

Ofheo Director Armando Falcon Jr.: Congressman, Ofheo did not improperly apply accounting rules; Freddie Mac did. Ofheo did not try to manage earnings improperly; Freddie Mac did. So this isn't about the agency's engagement in improper conduct, it is about Freddie Mac. Let me just correct the record on that. . . . I have been asking for these additional authorities for four years now. I have been asking for additional resources, the independent appropriations assessment powers.

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Rep. MAXINE Waters: However, I have sat through nearly a dozen hearings where, frankly, we were trying to fix something that wasn't broke. Housing is the economic engine of our economy, and in no community does this engine need to work more than in mine. With last week's hurricane and the drain on the economy from the war in Iraq, we should do no harm to these GSEs....Mr. Chairman, we do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac, and in particular at Fannie Mae, under the outstanding leadership of Mr. Frank Raines. Everything in the 1992 act has worked just fine. In fact, the GSEs have exceeded their housing goals.

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Rep. Frank: Let me ask [George] Gould and [Franklin] Raines on behalf of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, do you feel that over the past years you have been substantially under-regulated?

Mr. Raines?

Mr. Raines: No, sir.

Mr. Frank: Mr. Gould?

Mr. Gould: No, sir. . . .

Mr. Frank: OK. Then I am not entirely sure why we are here. . . .

Rep. Frank: I believe there has been more alarm raised about potential unsafety and unsoundness than, in fact, exists.

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Senate Banking Committee, Oct. 16, 2003:

Sen. Charles Schumer (D., N.Y.): And my worry is that we're using the recent safety and soundness concerns, particularly with Freddie, and with a poor regulator, as a straw man to curtail Fannie and Freddie's mission.

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Senate Banking Committee, Feb. 24-25, 2004:

Sen. Thomas Carper (D., Del.): What is the wrong that we're trying to right here? What is the potential harm that we're trying to avert?

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan: Well, I think that that is a very good question, senator.

What we're trying to avert is we have in our financial system right now two very large and growing financial institutions which are very effective and are essentially capable of gaining market shares in a very major market to a large extent as a consequence of what is perceived to be a subsidy that prevents the markets from adjusting appropriately, prevents competition and the normal adjustment processes that we see on a day-by-day basis from functioning in a way that creates stability. . . . And so what we have is a structure here in which a very rapidly growing organization, holding assets and financing them by subsidized debt, is growing in a manner which really does not in and of itself contribute to either home ownership or necessarily liquidity or other aspects of the financial markets. .


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Senate Banking Committee, April 6, 2005:

Sen. Schumer: I'll lay my marker down right now, Mr. Chairman. I think Fannie and Freddie need some changes, but I don't think they need dramatic restructuring in terms of their mission, in terms of their role in the secondary mortgage market, et cetera. Change some of the accounting and regulatory issues, yes, but don't undo Fannie and Freddie.

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Senate Banking Committee, June 15, 2006:

Sen. Robert Bennett (R., Utah): I think we do need a strong regulator. I think we do need a piece of legislation.

Sen. Chuck Hagel (R., Neb.): Mr. Chairman, what we're dealing with is an astounding failure of management and board responsibility, driven clearly by self interest and greed. And when we reference this issue in the context of -- the best we can say is, "It's no Enron." Now, that's a hell of a high standard.
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Old 09-21-2011, 11:29 AM
 
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Okay, so you won't be squeaking in anger against oppressive government if it took away your home since it ain't your right. I guess home doesn't count as property. Only right along the lines applies to property but not homes which ain't a property. Nice.
Government is allowed to take away your home provided they compensate you for it. Have you even read the 5th amendment to the Constitution?
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Anything else for the daily amusement?
That depends on if you are going to respond again. I'm not sure if your postings are providing me amusement, or if I feel sorry for you for not knowing this stuff.
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Old 09-21-2011, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Government is allowed to take away your home provided they compensate you for it.
Why compensation for something not a right? What kind of compensation do you expect if the government takes away your drivers' license (not a right), or your health insurance (not a right, right?).
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Old 09-21-2011, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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President Bush said nothing that was not the way to increase home ownership in coordination with the Real Estate and other "private enterprise" factions across the country and which he simply did not go into all the safe guards required when executing the sale/buying of a home. Did you think the taxpayer $'s to which he referred were gifts to make a down payment? Did you think there was no obligation to repay that "loan?"

You need to look deeper into the problem and realize that it was not long after that speech that Bush sent the first of his 6 or 7 orders to Congress (I lost count) to cleanup Freddie and Fanny or things would blow up. Again, dems blocked any action and it blew up!
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Old 09-21-2011, 11:39 AM
 
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Why compensation for something not a right? What kind of compensation do you expect if the government takes away your drivers' license (not a right), or your health insurance (not a right, right?).
A right cant be taken away from you AT ALL. If a home can be taken, ITS NOT A RIGHT.
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Old 09-21-2011, 11:40 AM
 
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Nothing he said was wrong or lead to a collapse. Whats your point?
In that video he expends a great deal of hot air talking about how Fannie and Freddie ought to be extending mortgages to people with poor credit scores. He makes it pretty clear that expanding home ownership through lending is a goal of his administration.
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Old 09-21-2011, 11:41 AM
 
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A right cant be taken away from you AT ALL. If a home can be taken, ITS NOT A RIGHT.
Is home a property? Is property a right?
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Old 09-21-2011, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Home Ownership and President Bush - YouTube
President Clinton, with the blessing of Democrats in Congress, advanced an agenda which they called, The National Homeownership Strategy: Partners in the American Dream. In short, it encouraged mortgage lenders to loosen-up their requirements for those seeking mortgages, thus making home ownership available to those who otherwise wouldn't qualify - in other words, for those who couldn't afford it.

The government, as a result, relaxed requirements for the federal guarantee on those mortgages: lowered income to payment ratio, relaxed income verification, reduced (or eliminated) down payments, etc. Mortgage lenders, as ones who issued those government backed loans, were encouraged - or directed - to follow suit. (directed to follow suit because those lenders had to follow government rules if they wanted to continue to be able to issue FHA loans).

The National Homeownership Strategy: Partners in the American Dream, is a "..... public-private partnership working to dramatically increase homeownership opportunity in America. Under the directive of President Clinton, the Partnership was formed in 1995 by nearly 60 national organizations that care about homeownership. Today, the Partnership consists of 66 members representing lenders, real estate professionals, home builders, nonprofit housing providers, and federal, state and local governments.

HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo said: "The good news as we mark National Homeownership Week is that homeownership in America is at record levels. But the bad news we face is that many of HUD's homeownership and other programs are under attack by some members of Congress. The success of our homeownership initiatives proves that HUD in combination with local organizations can further our goal of even more homeownership and fulfill our commitment to liberty and equity for all."
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Old 09-21-2011, 11:43 AM
 
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President Bush said nothing that was not the way to increase home ownership in coordination with the Real Estate and other "private enterprise" factions across the country and which he simply did not go into all the safe guards required when executing the sale/buying of a home. Did you think the taxpayer $'s to which he referred were gifts to make a down payment? Did you think there was no obligation to repay that "loan?"
He says he supports a Freddie Mac program to lend to people with poor credit scores. He says they've created dozens of programs to expand lending at Fannie and Freddie.


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You need to look deeper into the problem and realize that it was not long after that speech that Bush sent the first of his 6 or 7 orders to Congress (I lost count) to cleanup Freddie and Fanny or things would blow up. Again, dems blocked any action and it blew up!
Then why, 2 years after this speech, did he prevent the states' attorney generals from regulating mortgage lending in their states?
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