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In the Federalist papers, and the arguments presented, what was the deciding factor, that the States representative(Senators), in Washington, would be appointed by each State and not elected by vote......
Then of those arguments, can you see which argument proved to be so true???
In the Federalist papers, and the arguments presented, what was the deciding factor, that the States representative(Senators), in Washington, would be appointed by each State and not elected by vote......
Then of those arguments, can you see which argument proved to be so true???
Senate was meant for protection of the ruling elite, from people like us. I'm glad to have more power at hand than giving it all to the rich, connected and politicians. Besides, it was a different time, a different make up of the populace. Today, fewer people associate with the state, as they easily move across the borders to spend a major part of their lives AWAY from their home state.
Which is how it is right now and yet, the anti-health care reform elements are quick to point to Tort Reform as a federal measure. I'm assuming you're not among them?
i will concede that at some point the idea of enforcing federal tort reform was appealing to me. i now realize that as much as i disagree with many of the frivolous lawsuits brought on by tort laws in some states, i should respect the inhabitants of those states wishes and not try to ram my ideas down their throats by way of the federal govt.
if i wanted to affect change in those states i should move there and spread the word. until such time it isn't my problem. i suppose you agree with federal raids on california marijuana dispensiaries? i suppose you agree with federal drinking age at 21? (yes it is federal because it has money attached to it.)
i will concede that at some point the idea of enforcing federal tort reform was appealing to me. i now realize that as much as i disagree with many of the frivolous lawsuits brought on by tort laws in some states, i should respect the inhabitants of those states wishes and not try to ram my ideas down their throats by way of the federal govt.
if i wanted to affect change in those states i should move there and spread the word. until such time it isn't my problem. i suppose you agree with federal raids on california marijuana dispensiaries? i suppose you agree with federal drinking age at 21? (yes it is federal because it has money attached to it.)
No, I don't. Never did. And I won't blame just federal authorities for it either. I live in a state that disallows sale of liquor on Sundays and after 9 pm. So much for believing in state/city governments.
No, I don't. Never did. And I won't blame just federal authorities for it either. I live in a state that disallows sale of liquor on Sundays and after 9 pm. So much for believing in state/city governments.
yup and if it were up to you, we'd all not be allowed to purchase liquor after 9pm and on sundays. i can assure you that it would be much easier to to overturn your states legislation than it would federal legislation. additionally, if was such a big issue to you you could move. in your ideal world there would be nowhere to run and nowhere to hide from laws you didn't like
No, I don't. Never did. And I won't blame just federal authorities for it either. I live in a state that disallows sale of liquor on Sundays and after 9 pm. So much for believing in state/city governments.
You are misunderstanding his point. Sure, your state doesn't allow the sale of liquor on Sundays and after 9 pm(neither does my state of Oklahoma). On the other hand, without the fed getting in the way of states, there might be states that allow the sale of liquor to 18-year-olds(like in almost all other countries in the world).
And while you might think it is terrible that your state doesn't sell liquor on Sunday. Another state might despise the federal government for not allowing them to sell liquor to 18-year-olds. And without the federal government in the way, there would definitely be states that allowed it, so if you really hated your state so bad, then you could easily hop up and move to one of those states instead, rather than just bitching about your state.
That is the system of "voting with your feet" that Milton Friedman always praised. And if enough people were leaving your state, taking their money and business with them, your state would be economically pressured to change their laws, if they saw it in their best interest.
All that is simply based on wishful thinking. The reality was tried following independence and the people fell on their face. It is why the US Constitution came about, and transferred more power into the hands of the central government. States proved their incompetence at assuring freedoms to the people, and gave more power to the Federalists. And that was at a time when the entire nation had fewer people than many cities today.
You write that to counter my statements, but you only reinforce my points. That was a different time then. People are not scattered as they once were. Yes, many cities today have more people than some countries do. NYC could easily function as its own nation if it saw fit. Singapore certainly works well as a city state.
People form coalitions, including coalitions of governments, because they have something to gain from doing so. Once it becomes clear that the costs of being part of a coalition outweigh the benefits, then it becomes time for people to part ways.
You write that to counter my statements, but you only reinforce my points. That was a different time then. People are not scattered as they once were. Yes, many cities today have more people than some countries do. NYC could easily function as its own nation if it saw fit. Singapore certainly works well as a city state.
People form coalitions, including coalitions of governments, because they have something to gain from doing so. Once it becomes clear that the costs of being part of a coalition don't outweigh the benefits, then it becomes time for people to part ways.
Not really. My point was to bring home a reality that independent states turned out to be a flop, even with few people. So, what makes a revival of the same, guarantee a different result this time around? There's a reason for US Constitution to exist, and it wasn't because states were lacking power. It was because the central government didn't with Articles of Confederation.
You are misunderstanding his point. Sure, your state doesn't allow the sale of liquor on Sundays and after 9 pm(neither does my state of Oklahoma). On the other hand, without the fed getting in the way of states, there might be states that allow the sale of liquor to 18-year-olds(like in almost all other countries in the world).
So you defense is to blame feds even for blasphemy that exists within states, which you tried to hide. With restrictive laws implemented by states (likely driven by religiosity) to such sales are a separate issue from federal law against serving alcohol to under 21. They should be treated as such, and BOTH are wrong, proving once again that you can blame federal government as much as you want, but the same problem does exist at ANY level of government. Consequently, as a people we ought to find the policies, not transfer the issue from one government to another.
Senate was meant for protection of the ruling elite, from people like us. I'm glad to have more power at hand than giving it all to the rich, connected and politicians. Besides, it was a different time, a different make up of the populace. Today, fewer people associate with the state, as they easily move across the borders to spend a major part of their lives AWAY from their home state.
As was back then and part of the reason only property owners could vote.
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