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The OP clearly doesn't understand the words communism, socialism, anarchism, or even liberal.
Apparently if it isn't capitalism, it's any word from the above list of bad words.
Does the OP know that Soviet Russia had telephones, cars, computers, rockets, buses, trains, toasters, ovens, refrigerators, electricity...?
Look at the campaign funds the candidates have at their disposal, the big money that is buying them in other words.
Romney and Perry: $30 million combined
Paul: $8 million
Bachman: $4 million
Obama: an incredible over $70 million dollars
Cain: $2.2 million
Anyone who is against the buying of politicians would be protesting the current occupant of the White House who is most definitely has been bought. Big money seems to be behind Obama.
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Obama's massive third-quarter haul brings his campaign's cycle-to-date fund-raising total to about $91.5 million, not including the large sums he's helped the DNC raise. That amount nearly matches the sum he had raised by the same point in time four years ago, as he battled for the Democratic Party nomination against political heavy weights including Hillary Clinton and John Edwards.
The OP clearly doesn't understand the words communism, socialism, anarchism, or even liberal.
Apparently if it isn't capitalism, it's any word from the above list of bad words.
Does the OP know that Soviet Russia had telephones, cars, computers, rockets, buses, trains, toasters, ovens, refrigerators, electricity...?
Yeah...high quality stuff too! lol.
The Soviet Union collapsed for a reason; they hated capitalism.
The only reason China hasn't collapsed is because they embraced capitalism 20 years ago.
Look at the campaign funds the candidates have at their disposal, the big money that is buying them in other words.
Romney and Perry: $30 million combined
Paul: $8 million
Bachman: $4 million
Obama: an incredible over $70 million dollars
Cain: $2.2 million
Anyone who is against the buying of politicians would be protesting the current occupant of the White House who is most definitely has been bought. Big money seems to be behind Obama.
From what I've read about the protests, I don't think there's any more love for the D's than there is for the R's. Both parties are a problem when it comes to cronyism. I'm a moderate R, but I'm going to vote for whoever works the hardest to make changes in our campaign finance laws and who works the hardest to hold our financial industry accountable. I think the D's are trying to step in and claim ownership of this, but unless they put their money (and votes) where their mouth is, I don't know too many people who'll buy it.
The part you forgot about on the R's are the PACS--American's for Prosperity and the Karl Rove entities were huge in the last election on the R side. Obama takes his share of big money too, but he's not alone. As far as primary money this time around--the PACS won't step in until the general.
I hope these issues become the biggest focus of 2012--until we start getting some accountability out of government, I don't think anything is going to change.
The Soviet Union collapsed for a reason; they hated capitalism.
The only reason China hasn't collapsed is because they embraced capitalism 20 years ago.
Occupy movements are not against the production of cell phones and computers, and such tools help us communicate with each other and spread our message to the world.
Most of the people I've met at these movements weren't communists or socialists, as the OP insinuates, but normal people who believe that we have a society where economic power translates too easily into political power, leaving the majority of people out in the cold when it comes to our "democratic" process.
As someone else said, there is a case to be made for using the master's tools. We're all complicit in the system (by necessity, it is basically everywhere), but arguments like these don't really make sense to me. I don't want corporations to end, I want them to stop having undue influence over my politicians, and I want my politicians to stop selling themselves out in order to fund their re-election campaigns.
From what I've read about the protests, I don't think there's any more love for the D's than there is for the R's. Both parties are a problem when it comes to cronyism. I'm a moderate R, but I'm going to vote for whoever works the hardest to make changes in our campaign finance laws and who works the hardest to hold our financial industry accountable. I think the D's are trying to step in and claim ownership of this, but unless they put their money (and votes) where their mouth is, I don't know too many people who'll buy it.
I hope these issues become the biggest focus of 2012--until we start getting some accountability out of government, I don't think anything is going to change.
I think that's true. Personally, I've been pointing out that Obama was the first presidential candidate to reject public funding, and the fact that the cost of running a presidential campaign has skyrocketed in the past decade. Then we wonder why our politicians sell us out.
That said, the occupy movements aren't about denouncing or supporting any particular politician or party. They need to come to us, not the other way around.
I think that's true. Personally, I've been pointing out that Obama was the first presidential candidate to reject public funding, and the fact that the cost of running a presidential campaign has skyrocketed in the past decade. Then we wonder why our politicians sell us out.
That said, the occupy movements aren't about denouncing or supporting any particular politician or party. They need to come to us, not the other way around.
Public financing of campaigns would end that problem in a big hurry. Either that or limiting all individual contributions to about a $1000.00. It's beyond stupid that it costs as much as it does to run a campaign now--it's like an arms race/cold war between the two parties--and it's why they've all been bought out by big money. Right now, the guy with the most money pretty much wins. That's no way to run a country or hold elections.
You should have a voice. You have to remember these folks ask for this when they use generalization like evil corporations (or millionaire and billionaire corporate jet owners, etc -- See Obama). They don't seem to quite understand that if there were no corporations they wouldn't have 99% (snicker) of the things they do now.
Same goes for banks.
If they want to end the Fed they first need to do an experiment where they lock ten people in a room with $1,000 a a few belongings each and see what happens. With a very short period of time 1 person will have 90%+ of the money and the rest will be starving because no more money can be introduce and the amount that originally was brought in is static, not dynamic.
I think there are a few stupid people saying things like that, and they're the ones who wind up on tv, but the majority of people who support this aren't stupid--they just want accountability.
I like how many people default to the claim that we want to end all corporations and banks. Give me a break. We just want them to stop gaming the system in order to maximize their profits.
If the Occupy crowd wanted to end the relationship between Wall Street and politics they would march on the White House and the Treasury Department.
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