Birther brigade going after Rubio now (state, claims, laws, Virginia)

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Some American citizens are born "citizens" (Wong Kim Ark) and others are "natural born citizens" (Virginia Minor).

Please... I have asked you repeatedly... show us exactly where in the Minor decision that the court ever once calls her a "natural born citizen."

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

UK citizenship law and Italian citizenship law are different. They've both been posted in this thread.

Not in any way relevant to this disucssion.

In both cases, citizenship is automatic at birth.

In both cases, to receive the benefits of citizenship you must apply to have it recognized, providing extensive documentation.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by HistorianDude

Exactly like Italy's.

False. Already debunked. Read the Italian law.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

No. Both links are relevant to this discussion, depending on which false claim you happen to be trying to make at the time.

Neither are relevant.

The first does not apply to Obama, and the second is completely silent on the issue.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

False. Already debunked. Read the Italian law.

You keep using that word "debunked." It does not mean what you think it means.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by HistorianDude

Please... I have asked you repeatedly... show us exactly where in the Minor decision that the court ever once calls her a "natural born citizen."

SCOTUS: "women, if born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction of the United States, have always been considered citizens of the United States"

Then SCOTUS went on to define Constitutional NBC as such: "At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by HistorianDude

In both cases, citizenship is automatic at birth.

NO. Italian law disproves your claim.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by HistorianDude

You keep using that word "debunked." It does not mean what you think it means.

Yes, it does.

Debunk: To expose or ridicule false claims

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

SCOTUS: "women, if born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction of the United States, have always been considered citizens of the United States"

Nope... I do not read in there anywhere where it says she is natural born citizen.

And by the way... where in the decision does it ever tell us that her parents were citizens?

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Then SCOTUS went on to define Constitutional NBC as such: "At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."

Still doesn't call her a "natural born citizen."

After all, I have a definition of natural born citizen in the Wong decision too, and you keep insisting that it doesn't count because the court never actually calls Wong an NBC.

So... to prove you are not a raving hypocrite with pathetic attention to detail, you must be able to show us where the Minor decision actually calls Minor an NBC.

Try again.

I'll wait.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

NO. Italian law disproves your claim.

Wrong. Italian law is identical to that of every other nation on the planet in that regard.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by HistorianDude

Still doesn't call her a "natural born citizen."

Does she fit the criteria of the only SCOTUS definition of Constitutional NBC?

Yes.