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Old 11-06-2011, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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That's there, this is here, man.
That's there. This is here. And you are wrong again.

 
Old 11-06-2011, 07:00 PM
 
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If Norway allows the person to keep her citizenship, she keeps her citizenship. The US can't tell Norway what to do any more than Norway can tell the US what to do re: who is a citizen of their respective countries.
Norway is not you, man.


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Old 11-06-2011, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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"Dined with Townsend and Thomson at Mr. Parsons's. I finished this day the first volume of Vattel.

The first book treats of the duties of a nation with respect to itself,

the second of its obligations towards others.

His sentiments and principles appear to be dictated by good sense and real virtue.

They appear all to derive from that law of nature, which every person of common sense and common honesty must wish to prevail.

From the Diary of John Quincy Adams. He states every person of common sense and common honesty must wish to prevail.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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"Dined with Townsend and Thomson at Mr. Parsons's. I finished this day the first volume of Vattel.

The first book treats of the duties of a nation with respect to itself,

the second of its obligations towards others.

His sentiments and principles appear to be dictated by good sense and real virtue.

They appear all to derive from that law of nature, which every person of common sense and common honesty must wish to prevail.

From the Diary of John Quincy Adams. He states every person of common sense and common honesty must wish to prevail.
Not a word about citizenship.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 08:06 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Too bad the Census Records prove otherwise.
Census in the early 20th century: Stranger goes door to door seeking info from residents, or neighbors if residents are not home. Contains very little information

WWI Draft Registration: Male must complete form. Contains more information

Your source is inferior, HD.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 08:09 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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If Norwegian law bestowed Norweigian citizenship on a baby born to a Norwegian citizen, regardless of place of residence at birth, he was a Norweigian as well as a US citizen.
Since his mother was a U.S. citizen by marriage, he had 2 U.S. citizen parents, was born in the U.S., and thus qualifies as a Constitutional NBC.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Since his mother was a U.S. citizen by marriage, he had 2 U.S. citizen parents, was born in the U.S., and thus qualifies as a Constitutional NBC.
Possibly. Do you know what the citizenship laws were then?

In any event, he still could have been a dual citizen of the US and Norway.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 08:17 PM
 
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That was true for a full eleven years before we even had a Constitution. Hence, that can hardly have been one of the Constitution's purposes or priorities.
After the adoption of the Constitution, every State still had it's own laws to deny citizenship to people such as children of slaves or Blacks. These authorities would not have denied citizenship to these people if the nation had adopted the doctrine that everyone born on U.S. soil is a “natural born Citizen." Also, some states denied citizenship at birth to children who met only the jus soli or jus sanguinis but never denied both. This disparity in citizenship laws would not have occurred if the U.S. had adopted the English common law doctrine.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 08:21 PM
 
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Possibly. Do you know what the citizenship laws were then?

In any event, he still could have been a dual citizen of the US and Norway.
In doesn't matter what the statutory citizenship laws are. By the laws of nature, one can never be stripped from the Constitutional NBC status, because it is established at the time of someone's birth.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 08:35 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Possibly. Do you know what the citizenship laws were then?
Yes. I quoted it earlier. When his mother married a U.S. citizen, she became one also.

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In any event, he still could have been a dual citizen of the US and Norway.
He had 2 U.S. citizen parents which is what he needed, along with being born in the U.S., to be a Constitutional NBC.
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