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Old 11-13-2011, 08:37 AM
 
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The holiest of holies for Republican true believers, however, is freedom from taxation. Taxes must go down and never, ever go up.

In 2011, however, Republicans have undergone something of a conversion. They are content to see taxes rise.

Indeed, they are pushing for tax increases. Of course, not higher tax bills for multinational corporations or Americans with seven- or eight-figure annual incomes.

Republicans are targeting the sick and unemployed, the indigent and elderly, as well as working-class families struggling to raise children.

Republican Policies Would 'Soak the Poor' | Common Dreams
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Old 11-13-2011, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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What else is new?

GOP leaders openly hate the poor and the Democrat leaders secretly hate the poor.

No one in government is truly on the side of the poor anymore. I feel sorry for them.
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Old 11-13-2011, 08:49 AM
 
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Again the real numbers:

The top 1 percent pay more in income taxes than ever in the last 20 years. The bottom 50% less.

National Taxpayers Union - Who Pays Income Taxes?

http://www.american.com/archive/2007...pays-the-taxes

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/income...hopaysmost.htm

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...nt_594000.html

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Old 11-13-2011, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Greer
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Do you conclude from this that the poor should pay more in taxes (more than they do now) and the rich should pay less (less than they do now)?
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Old 11-13-2011, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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There is little to gain in real numbers by taxing the wealthy. There is nothing to gain by taxing corporations because corporations will meerly pass on the added tax to consumers and it ends up being a hidden tax increase for everyone. If you look at the real inflation numbers instead of what the government cooks up to make itself look good, you can see that happening now. Do you remember the term "bracket creep"? That will happen to millions of Americans over the next decade as their worthless american dollars, are taxed due to inflation. The good news is we are all about to be in the six figure category. The bad news is a loaf of bread will cost $200.
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Old 11-13-2011, 08:54 AM
 
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Again the real numbers:

The top 1 percent pay more in income taxes than ever in the last 20 years. The bottom 50% less.

National Taxpayers Union - Who Pays Income Taxes?

Nearly half of Americans pay no federal income tax. Let us pause for a moment to let the reader's jealousy seethe.

Yet who would want to change places with this "other half"?
Financially stressed families pay plenty of taxes -- from payroll taxes that finance Social Security and Medicare to sales taxes and property taxes.
Those taxes represent a far larger share of their income than they do for the more prosperous. In other words, most taxes impose a greater burden on the bottom than on the top of the income ladder.

Never mind. Republicans, in the name of closing loopholes and adopting "flatter, fairer taxes," promote alternatives that will reduce federal income taxes on the most prosperous and raise taxes on low-income families.
That would make taxes flatter but far less fair.

What kind of soft-hearted/soft-headed left-wingers could have supported tax loopholes that shield millions of Americans from federal income taxes? Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush signed these tax provisions into law. They were not exactly Marx, Engels and Lenin.
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Old 11-13-2011, 09:05 AM
 
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Nearly half of Americans pay no federal income tax. Let us pause for a moment to let the reader's jealousy seethe.

Yet who would want to change places with this "other half"?
Financially stressed families pay plenty of taxes -- from payroll taxes that finance Social Security and Medicare to sales taxes and property taxes.
Those taxes represent a far larger share of their income than they do for the more prosperous. In other words, most taxes impose a greater burden on the bottom than on the top of the income ladder.

Never mind. Republicans, in the name of closing loopholes and adopting "flatter, fairer taxes," promote alternatives that will reduce federal income taxes on the most prosperous and raise taxes on low-income families.
That would make taxes flatter but far less fair.

What kind of soft-hearted/soft-headed left-wingers could have supported tax loopholes that shield millions of Americans from federal income taxes? Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush signed these tax provisions into law. They were not exactly Marx, Engels and Lenin.
Couldn't think of anything other than to re quote the original diatribe you posted? I read your article from a wannabe Micheal Moore. Did you read mine? I suspect not.
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Old 11-13-2011, 09:08 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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There is little to gain in real numbers by taxing the wealthy. There is nothing to gain by taxing corporations because corporations will meerly pass on the added tax to consumers and it ends up being a hidden tax increase for everyone. If you look at the real inflation numbers instead of what the government cooks up to make itself look good, you can see that happening now. Do you remember the term "bracket creep"? That will happen to millions of Americans over the next decade as their worthless american dollars, are taxed due to inflation. The good news is we are all about to be in the six figure category. The bad news is a loaf of bread will cost $200.
It's compounded though. I'm not making more than the usual dollar or two an hour increase in the last few years but everything costs a lot more. In essence most of us are taking huge decreases.
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Old 11-13-2011, 09:09 AM
 
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Couldn't think of anything other than to re quote the original diatribe you posted? I read your article from a wannabe Micheal Moore. Did you read mine? I suspect not.
There was only one cite when I posted mine. It says about half don't pay federal income tax. Does that about cover the cites or is there more information that you want to share. I think I covered that in my post. Is there anything else?

Since the federal income tax became law almost a century ago, progressive taxation -- taxing people according to their ability to pay -- has been a bedrock principle of how Americans paid for their government.
It makes sense.

After all, the most prosperous obtain more than most people from a federal government that enforces copyrights and patents, maintains courts that officiate over property-rights disputes and (when the government does its job right) regulates markets to ensure their fairness.
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Old 11-13-2011, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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It's compounded though. I'm not making more than the usual dollar or two an hour increase in the last few years but everything costs a lot more. In essence most of us are taking huge decreases.
That IS a tax... Just a hidden tax.
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