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Old 11-29-2011, 03:06 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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I'm not talking about pedophilia or underage people. Pedophilia is justifiably illegal, and while people may disagree what the age of consent should be in general it is agreed upon that it is a good thing and that sex with kids and young teens should be illegal - unless one is a fundie Christian, fundie Muslim, or fundie Mormon.

Freedoms regarding sex and drugs (involving adults) show that a society respects the rights of the adults who live in that society and in general does not try to restrict their liberties, whether personal or economic.



More so than in places with more freedoms regarding sex and drugs.



Certain biographies of Hitler are banned in Austria and Germany.
Certain biographies of L. Ron Hubbard are banned in the US.
Go figure.




Why so many in prison?



You're admitting that Thailand's freer than the US.
You can read whatever you want about L.Ron Hubbard if that's your fancy. You can find anything you want on the internet. My copy of Mein Kampf will certainly forbid me entry to Austria. Their state TV is censored. Their state RADIO is censored. All sanitized to keep them compliant.

No Heil Hitler. No whisper of the man in public. No printing socialist fliers or have an opinion different from what the government says is decent.

You can't just name your baby anything in Germany either. All names have to be government approved.

Thailand you can have sex with whoever you want, you can turn your brain to cheese with drugs if you want - which I understand is your measure of freedom.

Makes sense why Los Angeles has the largest population of Thai people in the world living outside of Thailand - wonder why they all came here? FREEDOM.

 
Old 11-29-2011, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Earth
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In general, the countries with the most atheists have the most personal freedom.
 
Old 11-29-2011, 03:10 PM
 
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In general, the countries with the most atheists have the most personal freedom.
Yeah.

That would be the United States.

We have religious freedom here.

It's the law.
 
Old 11-29-2011, 03:13 PM
 
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It would depend on what liberties you might wish to enjoy.
 
Old 11-29-2011, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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My perception is that their caste system goes against social freedoms.
I didn't see that. Doesn't mean the issue is non-existent, but people are actively involved in ridding that abomination. It is indeed far less of an issue than color of the skin and nationality and religion is here. The key might be that they are moving forward while many here seem hell bent on going backwards.
 
Old 11-29-2011, 03:16 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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I think Canada, the U.K., Australia, New Zealand and some of the Scandinavian countries would be near the top.
 
Old 11-29-2011, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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And it gets much worse.

November 29, 2011

The Senate is set to vote this week on a Pentagon spending bill that could usher in a radical expansion of indefinite detention under the U.S. government. A provision in the National Defense Authorization Act would authorize the military to jail anyone it considers a terrorism suspect -- anywhere in the world -- without charge or trial. The measure would effectively extend the definition of what is considered the military's "battlefield" to anywhere in the world, even within the United States. Its authors, Democratic Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan and Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona, have been campaigning for its passage in a bipartisan effort. But the White House has issued a veto threat, with backing from top officials including Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, and FBI Director Robert Mueller. "This would be the first time since the McCarthy era that the United States Congress has tried to do this," says our guest, Daphne Eviatar of Human Rights First, which has gathered signatures from 26 retired military leaders urging the Senate to vote against the measure, as well as against a separate provision that would repeal the executive order banning torture. "In this case, we've seen the administration very eagerly hold people without trial for 10-plus years in military detention, so there's no reason to believe they would not continue to do that here. So we're talking about indefinite military detention of U.S. citizens, of lawful U.S. residents, as well as of people abroad."



Battlefield America: US Citizens Face Indefinite Military Detention in Senate Defense Bill - YouTube


It's official! The US is well on its way toward becoming a full-fledged police state, as early as the beginning of the new year.
I posted this within minutes of your post. No matter what your politic, folks, it's a good idea to be informed.
 
Old 11-29-2011, 03:20 PM
 
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You can read whatever you want about L.Ron Hubbard if that's your fancy. You can find anything you want on the internet.
The biographies of Hubbard, MESSIAH OR MADMAN? and BARE FACED MESSIAH, are banned in the US. The uncut version of Ed Sanders' book about the Manson Family, THE FAMILY, is banned in the US ; the only version allowed in the US cuts out the chapter which goes into Charles Manson's involvement with Scientology and his ties to Scientology.

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Their state TV is censored. Their state RADIO is censored. All sanitized to keep them compliant.
Never heard of the FCC I take it?

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No printing socialist fliers or have an opinion different from what the government says is decent.
Austria has a pretty large socialist party and has had socialist chancellors, so this is inaccurate.

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You can't just name your baby anything in Germany either. All names have to be government approved.
I believe all names have to be in the German language, as in Argentina all names have to be in the Spanish language. I'd think you'd approve of this. Don't you always complain about immigrants not fitting in and multiculturalism?

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Thailand you can have sex with whoever you want, you can turn your brain to cheese with drugs if you want - which I understand is your measure of freedom.
I was not talking about pedophilia which is JUSTIFIABLY illegal (and why I think Conrad Murray did American society a big favor). I was talking about behaviors involving consenting adults.

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Makes sense why Los Angeles has the largest population of Thai people in the world - wonder why they all came here? FREEDOM.
Poverty. Of course if you had your way they'd all be deported.
 
Old 11-29-2011, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Poverty. Of course if you had your way they'd all be deported.
Excellent line.
 
Old 11-29-2011, 03:27 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Interesting what some see as freedom.
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