Obama now blames Al Gore for job losses (Congress, cost, party)

[summers73]

Damn you Al Gore for inventing the Internets!

Obama Now Blames The Internet For Job Losses | RealClearPolitics

[noexcuseforignorance]

If you were a bank teller or a phone operator or a travel agent, you saw many in your profession replaced by ATMs and the internet

Really? Are you trying to say that ATM's, online banking and travelocity haven't cost job losses?

Seriously? Are you really saying that none of those things cost anyone a job?

Please admit to that so the forum can laugh at you.

Oh and

[summers73]

Originally Posted by noexcuseforignorance

Really? Are you trying to say that ATM's, online banking and travelocity haven't cost job losses?

People have to develop, architect, and maintain the system, so not necessarily.

Seriously? Are you really saying that none of those things cost anyone a job?

Yes.

Oh, and

[mlassoff]

Originally Posted by summers73

People have to develop, architect, and maintain the system, so not necessarily.

Yes.

Oh, and

Wait, let me get this straight: You don't believe that automation has resulted in job losses? WOW!

Please let me know the last time you used:
- A Travel Agent
- A Bank Teller to make simple withdrawal
- The operator to make a long distance call

[summers73]

Originally Posted by mlassoff

Wait, let me get this straight: You don't believe that automation has resulted in job losses? WOW!

Yup. WOW!

- A Travel Agent

My ex-gf is a very successful one actually. She runs her own business doing group travel and special events, something travelocity, kayak, etc. can't really do for you.

Again, people developed those systems, and develops upgrades. People also maintain and operate call centers.

- A Bank Teller to make simple withdrawal

Again, who maintains the newly automated system?

- The operator to make a long distance call

The buggy whip maker? C'mon now, let's get serious about this BS.

[Frozenyo]

I'm sure self-checkouts haven't caused any job losses either. Neither has Itunes which basically closing down record stores. Paying on line hasn't had anything to do with lower postal mail usage. Netflix and others didn't pretty much ended movie rental and so on and so forth. Obama pretty much stated the obvious but even that draw whines for the party of no. This is why Obama is always pushing congress to invest in our future with education and the like so people can transition into new careers but the party of no likes to pine for the 50s and act like nothings changed.

[summers73]

Originally Posted by Frozenyo

I'm sure self-checkouts haven't caused any job losses either.

Finally, we agree on something.

Neither has Itunes which basically closing down record stores.

Thanks. Someone who finally understands my angle.

[thePR]

Originally Posted by summers73

People have to develop, architect, and maintain the system, so not necessarily.

It takes a lot fewer people to maintain than to do.

[summers73]

Originally Posted by thePR

It takes a lot fewer people to maintain than to do.

...and the cost to do things goes down for everyone, adjusted for monetary inflation of course. Your point?

Also, cite on your hypothesis?

[mlassoff]

Originally Posted by summers73

Again, who maintains the newly automated system?

Well for at least one major bank, a lot of non-American IT folks and programmers. And it's a fraction of the number of people it took to do it manually. (I know this because I train programmers for this particular bank)

But, of course, you knew that already. You're just digging in at this point and trying to defend the absurd.

It's time to fold'em and walk away. No reasonable person would agree that automation doesn't cost jobs.

Regarding traditional travel agencies-- there was a time when they handled all most 70% of airline bookings... Now 85% of bookings occur online. All automated. Travel agencies exist only for specialty, group and some corporate travel... but then again, you knew this too.