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Well, of course I think everyone should get handouts for having a baby! At least a free crib, carseat and a year's supply of diapers. I'm a "liberal" on this board; I believe in handouts, no personal repsonsibilty, I'm lazy, what else? I would still like to know what all these people saying "you have to plan for a baby" (as if most people, and all liberals, do not) think should happen after the baby is born.
Perhaps I did indulge myself in a little mockery. I'm really not interested in someone's life history fom prior to 1953, and how they/their parents did everything right and if everyone just lived exactly like them there would be no issue here.
I am not crazy, I'm just curious. And I'm not giving any hints, either. I'd like to hear it. The kid is here, you "planned" for him/her; you have money saved to tide you over while you're not working (obviously speaking to the mother here), you run off and get sterilized, adopt the kid out, then what?
"hints"? "then what?"?
You have a kids THEN you raise it. You get steralized THEN you don't have any more kids. You adopt the kid out THEN you don't have a kid anymore.
I get that in your mind you are playing some kind of game here and think you are being clear and logical...but you aren't. Sorry.
....The U.S. and Australia are the only developed economies in the world that provide no paid maternity leave. France, Singapore and Austria all offer four months' paid maternity leave benefits, and Germany offers 14 weeks. In the U.K., a woman receives 90% of her salary for up to a year off with her baby. Swedish mothers hit the jackpot with 480 days off at 80% of their salary, followed by their counterparts in Serbia and Denmark with a full year off at full pay. Even in Gambia, Somalia and Vietnam new mothers receive at least three months' paid maternity leave.
Well this is incorrect and misleading for the UK SMP (Statutory Maternity Pay).
If you qualify for SMP, it is paid:
for the first six weeks at 90 per cent of your average gross weekly earnings with no upper limit
for the remaining 33 weeks at the lower of either the standard rate of £128.73, or 90 per cent of your average gross weekly earnings
So you get 90% of your salary for 6 weeks but then for the next 33 weeks the max you can get is just over £500 (around $US 750). For most except the lowest paid women (ie those earning less than £550 per month) that won't be anywhere near 90% of their salary.Also it's for 10 months, not a year.
If you need to take time of work due to ANY illness after 28 weeks pregnancy then you have to start your maternity leave.
I had high BP at 30 weeks and had to start SMP then and baby was born at 41 wks so my 6 weeks of 90% pay had gone weeks before I delivered. I went back to work as a RN on ICU after a C Section when he was 6 weeks as I couldn't afford to be off any longer. Had been on around 50% of my salary for almost 3 months by then.
You have a kids THEN you raise it. You get steralized THEN you don't have any more kids. You adopt the kid out THEN you don't have a kid anymore.
I get that in your mind you are playing some kind of game here and think you are being clear and logical...but you aren't. Sorry.
So you're opposed to day care, too?
I'm saying, you live in your trailer, work seven years to save your money to buy a house, plan your pregnancy to the exact moment of conception (don't want to have the baby on Christmas Day or Feb. 29 or at some other, inconvenient time), give birth, then what? Should you be able to use your accrued PTO during your maternity leave? Should your employer hold your job for some period of time after delivery? Or should you from then on not work again until your kids are in middle school, which is the first time they do not need at least some day care? The latter sounds like what many on this thread are recommending.
What is so strange is too watch how many of you are proud to get nothing. You are paranoid of giving anything to anybody other than yourself. Other countries children feel sorry for ours because we give no higher education. Woman are equally sad for us getting limited maternity care. Other countries people are grateful they don't live here and that they get needed health care regardless of wealth in their countries.
We have to borrow scientist and other highly educated healthy people from other countries because we lack our own. We have to travel to other countries to get health care needs meant. Yet, I can see reading through these post that we not only allow it to happen but we take pride in not utilizing our power to steer government into giving the most to it's people. The less they do for us the happier we are. Even though in effect WE are the government. It's our voice, we continually hurt ourselves because we fear control from something or anything.
We don't worry about the future, we worry about right now and how little we want to give, not how little we are getting and what that will mean in the future. We complain about Mexican immigrants and swear about their government not taking care of its people yet we are becoming just like them and with a small amount of research you would know this.
Our "military might" is only part of the picture, we give a lot to them because we fear crap but without healthy educated people we are going to lose the middle class and only then will we have forced healthcare because more and more people will end up on welfare. If we actually progressed into the future instead of resisted it we might be able to avoid becoming a place that nobody wants to come a place that people feel sorry for or are glad they don't live
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Regardless of maternity benefits, the examples on here of how people justify wanting lack of services because of anti socialism looks retarded to me. It's 2011, not 1950. How can so many people miss such a big picture? How can so many people lack progress? I guess I can blame the lack of education? Maybe it's the lack of mental health care? It's so hard to watch you *********rselves, at least nobody feels sorry for an ignorant bastard. It's not like we couldn't have it, we just don't want it. We don't want it because we are so afraid of losing control. I'll let you in on a little secret, we are doing the opposite by fearing our government involvement. We are giving away our control, our voice was in that government, it's not for anything else, it's the only voice we have but uneducated people fear and have no chance of controlling their government. They allow it to become a separate entity. That is truly scary.
I guess in the end I would have to ask, what's the pride for? Why are you so proud of cutting your life down to nothing to have a child? Why are you proud to have to work endless hours with no holiday or health care? Why are you proud to work overtime and still not afford your kids college money? What is the pride about? I would be prouder if we worked it into a system that covered it all and I paid less because I worked together with the country I live in to have it all at a lower cost. Why are you proud to have set yourselves up to work harder for less? I don't get it at all. Man, propaganda really works well.
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I'm saying, you live in your trailer, work seven years to save your money to buy a house, plan your pregnancy to the exact moment of conception (don't want to have the baby on Christmas Day or Feb. 29 or at some other, inconvenient time), give birth, then what? Should you be able to use your accrued PTO during your maternity leave? Should your employer hold your job for some period of time after delivery? Or should you from then on not work again until your kids are in middle school, which is the first time they do not need at least some day care? The latter sounds like what many on this thread are recommending.
They should be allowed to use PTO and have their held for a period of time. Employers shouldn't be required to pay them during this period.
I know, US is the only retarded country who treats women like crap and doesn't care about familiy values at all.
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I would still like to know what all these people saying "you have to plan for a baby" (as if most people, and all liberals, do not) think should happen after the baby is born.
