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The real "hard working people" are too busy working to be on City-Data posting 100 times a day (often during work hours), spewing sociopathic drivel about the unemployed and the majority of unemployed people are too busy looking for work to bother with this nonsense.
It seems more than a little *odd* to me how you holier-than-thou types on here who claim to work SO hard seem to have so much downtime.
Don't worry, I'm not expecting an honest answer here, but I have no respect and no love for people who get kicks out of causing pain and misery to others.
It's a shame that this political forum has descended into little more than a place for cowardly sociopaths to vent their anger out at less fortunate people. I call them cowardly because it's unlikely they would even dare call someone a "deadbeat" to their face in real life.
I agree. There are millions of people unemployed. The job markets in different areas of the country vary greatly. Additionally, a collapsed housing market in many areas has made it difficult for many people to relocate since they cannot sell their home for enough money to meet their contractual obligation to the bank that holds their mortgage.
What does the unemployed "dead beat" do? Do they skip out on their obligation to the bank or continue to try and find a job that is commensurate with the one they lost and in an area where they have the skills, knowledge, and experience to be successful? Sure they could take a job for $7 per hour but that would require working over 80 hours a week to receive what they receive in UI.
It is a complicated issue. The past 4 or 5 years have been unlike previous modern recoveries since the jobs being created are of lower value than the ones they replaced. Median income continues to decline and people are losing ground. This dangerous scenario requires a reduced standard of living. Most of what the bottom 50% need to meet basic living needs is priced on the world market and costs substantially more today than it did at the beginning of this century.
The true corruption is found in our bought-off representatives and their sponsors. They trade away our future for their own gain while fooling the masses into turning on themselves.
Ya hit it on the nose, mathmaticly , working makes no sense when free money comes easy. Another form of welfare.
Many of the people who lost their jobs were making 4 times the minimum wage. The max UI equates to a little more than 2 times minimum wage. It requires a substantial reduction in lifestyle and is designed to help keep the unemployed person afloat while they look for work in which they are qualified.
The incentive is to overcome the 50% or more deficit in your income.
I know many people who have lost their job through no fault of their own. They were hardworking, committed employees whose companies were acquired and downsized. Many had years of specialized experience, education, and training. Many had very good salaries, saved for their own retirement, and their children's college education.
Do you really think it is a better for them to go and work 80+ hours a week at Walmart for $7 an hour as opposed to working "full time" to try and find a job that utilizes their skills and/or get some additional training/skills to make them more marketable?
Many of the people who lost their jobs were making 4 times the minimum wage. The max UI equates to a little more than 2 times minimum wage. It requires a substantial reduction in lifestyle and is designed to help keep the unemployed person afloat while they look for work in which they are qualified.
The incentive is to overcome the 50% or more deficit in your income.
I know many people who have lost their job through no fault of their own. They were hardworking, committed employees whose companies were acquired and downsized. Many had years of specialized experience, education, and training. Many had very good salaries, saved for their own retirement, and their children's college education.
Do you really think it is a better for them to go and work 80+ hours a week at Walmart for $7 an hour as opposed to working "full time" to try and find a job that utilizes their skills and/or get some additional training/skills to make them more marketable?
Add to that, retailers will be less likely to hire such people for being too old or overqualified. So even if such individuals applied for $7 an hour jobs at Walmart, Walmart would be more likely to hire someone much younger, or someone less likely to jump ship the second they get a better and more suitable offer.
I agree. There are millions of people unemployed. The job markets in different areas of the country vary greatly. Additionally, a collapsed housing market in many areas has made it difficult for many people to relocate since they cannot sell their home for enough money to meet their contractual obligation to the bank that holds their mortgage.
What does the unemployed "dead beat" do? Do they skip out on their obligation to the bank or continue to try and find a job that is commensurate with the one they lost and in an area where they have the skills, knowledge, and experience to be successful? Sure they could take a job for $7 per hour but that would require working over 80 hours a week to receive what they receive in UI.
It is a complicated issue. The past 4 or 5 years have been unlike previous modern recoveries since the jobs being created are of lower value than the ones they replaced. Median income continues to decline and people are losing ground. This dangerous scenario requires a reduced standard of living. Most of what the bottom 50% need to meet basic living needs is priced on the world market and costs substantially more today than it did at the beginning of this century.
The true corruption is found in our bought-off representatives and their sponsors. They trade away our future for their own gain while fooling the masses into turning on themselves.
This is one of the most sensible and non-partisan posts I've seen in this thread and I agree. It is an extremely complex issue and the job market itself has changed so drastically, even over the last decade. I say that if you have a job today, consider yourself lucky. Others who may have worked jus as hard as you may not be so lucky.
So many jobs have been outsourced overseas. Companies have cut back, we import cheaper products from overseas, which may have seemed like the cheapest option at the time, but in a way, we are all paying for it now. The world itself is rapidly changing, as countries such as India, China and Brazil are catching up, meaning that our % share of the world's overall wealth has also lessened. Our manufacturing base is not what it was several decades ago.
I don't have the answers, but I would be too afraid of bad karma to sit back and be even remotely smug about the fact that I have a job, never mind call people deadbeats or just one notch away from being criminals. Some people on here clearly have serious mental issues.
I would like to hear their solutions, in terms of helping to get millions of people back to work, or at least ensuring that millions upon millions of people don't descend into absolute poverty, which is an extremely dangerous scenario for us all.
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So many jobs have been outsourced overseas. Companies have cut back, we import cheaper products from overseas, which may have seemed like the cheapest option at the time, but in a way, we are all paying for it now. The world itself is rapidly changing, as countries such as India, China and Brazil are catching up, meanin our share of the world's overall wealth has also lessened. Our manufacturing base is not what it was several decades ago.
Yep, and it ain't gona slow down just because we want it to. I've come to the conclusion that we're pretty much screwed. Wages are going to come down and standard of living is going to decrease (happening already). We've been living on a bubble for quite a while now.
Yep, and it ain't gona slow down just because we want it to. I've come to the conclusion that we're pretty much screwed. Wages are going to come down and standard of living is going to decrease (happening already). We've been living on a bubble for quite a while now.
You really have to put things in perspective.
The american consumer can change that, but they have no desire to.
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