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However, presidential candidates have access to information that requires a security clearance.
They are given security clearances by virtue of their prospective elected offices. They do not necessarily go through a background check. Neither do members of Congress. Exceptions to that are rare.
Notice how the website you linked never said anything about background checks for POTUS or members of Congress?
They didn't have to rule her one since all children born in a country (the U.S.) of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also prior to the 14th Amendment, except for slaves.
It took him a long time to release his birth certificate; long enough to have one made? Perhaps. I don't know. Also there is no record of his mother at the hospital where he was supposedly born. Again, I am not a birther, just cautious. And again, it doesn't really matter now, does it? I mean he's in office, I don't want him there but that's not because of where he was, or wasn't, born but because of his politics.
He released his BC in 2008; that was the official one that everyone gets when they request their BC - you know, the computer printed one with the raised seal.
Most hospitals don't keep patient records for 50 years, so that is a non-starter. I am pretty sure that if I asked the hospital where I was born for my mom's records, they'd tell me they'd been destroyed decades ago, and I'm not fifty yet.
It took him a long time to release his birth certificate;
Not true.
He was asked for his birth certificate for the very first time on June 9th, 2008 by National Review Columnist Jim Geraghty. Obama released his birth certificate four days later, on June 13th, 2008.
Four days.
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Also there is no record of his mother at the hospital where he was supposedly born.
This is another one of those obviously fake Birther factoids which can only be fabricated. No one has ever actually checked, and it would be a violation of the HIPAA laws for the hospital to answer anyone who did.
It took him a long time to release his birth certificate; long enough to have one made? Perhaps. I don't know. Also there is no record of his mother at the hospital where he was supposedly born. Again, I am not a birther, just cautious. And again, it doesn't really matter now, does it? I mean he's in office, I don't want him there but that's not because of where he was, or wasn't, born but because of his politics.
Who else was asked to show their birth certificate during the primaries and general elections? Not even McCain, who as we all know actually was born in another country...it required legislation to make McCain eligible, and President Obama voted yea on that measure. Obama's birth certificate had been seen by the proper officials and was released solely to satisfy those who simply refuse to believe that he's an American citizen, and even that didn't stop the silliness. To quote Robert Earl Keane, "The road goes on forever and the party never ends..."
There you go with that weird interpretation again that would require the children of Spanish citizens born on US soil to be British subjects.
"Born in England" does not equate to "born on US soil" no matter how much you wish it were so.
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The very first one, in the very first clause, of the very first sentence is to simply be born in the Commonwealth of Virginia.
Go back and read it again. Pay careful attention to the qualifiers required in each case. The law does not state one thing and then directly contradict that in the very next statement.
No... only its confirmation must be applied for. The citizenship already exists as made clear in the very first sentence of the page you have linked to.
Exactly like every other country on the planet that grants jus sanguinis citizenship; to include the United States, Italy, Poland and the UK.
"Born in England" does not equate to "born on US soil" no matter how much you wish it were so.
Of course it does.
If it did not, then it wouldn't be the same rule.
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Go back and read it again. Pay careful attention to the qualifiers required in each case. The law does not state one thing and then directly contradict that in the very next statement.
The only qualifier in the first criteria the law offers for citizenship is race.
You actually have no idea what the 14th Amendment is really about... do you?
This is how it starts...
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"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."
If the Constitution were entirely based on English common law, we wouldn't need an Amendment nearly 100 years later to state the above.
If the states had already mirrored that in their laws, we wouldn't need an Amendment nearly 100 years later to state the above.
They apply to persons being considered for initial or continued eligibility for access to classified information, to include sensitive compartmented information and special access programs, and are to be used by government departments and agencies in all final clearance determinations. Government departments and agencies may also choose to apply these guidelines to analogous situations regarding persons being considered for access to other types of protected information. [end quote]
Once again; it's impossible to read the quote from the State Department that checks are required and not comprehend that "They apply to persons being considered for initial or continued eligibility and special access programs" applies to presidential candidates. Where do you think they get their information?
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