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marines who are the first line of defense need to be barbaric. They can not play nice with people trying to kill them
This is true to some extent but Marines are also taught discipline. We value integrity above all else and pride ourselves on how that seperates us from the rest. Like I said on another thread on the same topic. They were good kills and it should have been left at that. I could care less about the Taliban's feelings on this and only how it was a departure from Marine Corps discipline and integrity.
That kind of behavior is unacceptable and there's no excuse for it. Granted, the adrenaline from combat action can cloud judgement, as it no doubt did in this case. But it's one incident in a period of service for those four young men. None of us knows the background or the prior performance of those Marines. They may have magnificent records for all we know.
What they should get is Article 15 (office hours) UCMJ consequences, meaning possible fines and/or losing a stripe.
This is not such thing as a former Marine. Once you are a Marine, you are always a Marine! The rest of your post is spot on and the most sensible I have seen yet. Rep!
Not to disrespect their service, but just how long were these men in a combat role. Implying their judgement was imparted by ten years of combat service is not appropriate.
Unless their rules of engagement included such actions, those actions violated their orders. They should answer for their failure to follow orders, implied or otherwise.
I don't know about these men but I do know that the Marines have spent over twice the deployment time of any other branch of service including the Army in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Standard deployments usually last a year but the Marines have had their deployments extended to 16 months for several years now. Then they get 6 months home if they are lucky and go right back for 16 more months in Afghanistan or Iraq. It is hard on them. Especially the ones who have families back home.
OK here is your chance to judge your Marines. The Marines you sent into combat. The Marines that have spent the past 10 years constantly being deployed to 2 wars. The Marines that have their own kids growing up without them so they can protect and serve you and your kids. So what do you want to do with the 4 Marines in the video?
Their not my Marines, I didn't send them anywhere, I don't need or ask for their protection in foreign sovereign lands.
My Marines would be based in My country, on My shores and would not be used as corporate police pawns.
The video is a result of a warmongering culture that has been brainwashed into thinking MIGHT IS RIGHT.
I don't know about these men but I do know that the Marines have spent over twice the deployment time of any other branch of service including the Army in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Standard deployments usually last a year but the Marines have had their deployments extended to 16 months for several years now. Then they get 6 months home if they are lucky and go right back for 16 more months in Afghanistan or Iraq. It is hard on them. Especially the ones who have families back home.
Yes, it's been hard on our Marines. Does not mean we should abandon discipline and integrity. The Marines in question should receive Office Hours and be punished accordingly from their CO (likely restriction, some pay, and maybe demotion in rank). They should not receive more punishment simply because it's become a media firestorm. Anything more than Office Hours would be unjust.
I don't know about these men but I do know that the Marines have spent over twice the deployment time of any other branch of service including the Army in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Standard deployments usually last a year but the Marines have had their deployments extended to 16 months for several years now. Then they get 6 months home if they are lucky and go right back for 16 more months in Afghanistan or Iraq. It is hard on them. Especially the ones who have families back home.
I have a nephew that went over with that unit out of Columbus, the 24th I think, that lost all those men in a few weeks. He came home after that one tour and they were never called back. May be an exception.
I think some of these guys that are doing multiply tours may be asking for it, might be an indication something is a little off in their head. Maybe a death wish.
We also do not have any history or context as to who these Marines were fighting. Were these Taliban raping or murdering civilians?
Pointing at someone else's bad behaviour doesn't justify bad behaviour. We need to be better than that, even if others use our behaviour to justify their misdeeds.
OK here is your chance to judge your Marines. The Marines you sent into combat. The Marines that have spent the past 10 years constantly being deployed to 2 wars. The Marines that have their own kids growing up without them so they can protect and serve you and your kids. So what do you want to do with the 4 Marines in the video?
I'd like to see four winkies hanging out. I'd like to see four streams of pee. I'd like to see four yellow wet spots on the clothes! When I do, I'll comment then!
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