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"To announce that there must be NO criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President Right or Wrong, is not only UNPATRIOTIC and SERVILE, but is Morally TREASONABLE to the American Public." Former Republican President, Theodore Roosevelt
I would add further that this would included his policies as well.
"To announce that there must be NO criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President Right or Wrong, is not only UNPATRIOTIC and SERVILE, but is Morally TREASONABLE to the American Public." Former Republican President, Theodore Roosevelt
I would add further that this would included his policies as well.
That quote gets kind of old after awhile.
Besides, it doesn't apply in this case because many Republicans don't agree with Bush on all of his policies, myself included.
Still a poor comparison; they intended to dominate the world and control people, resources, and economies. Iran and Iraq have no ability to do such things, nor did the North Vietnamese. We have given Iraq and Iran far more power now than they ever had. Our foreign policy in the last 7 years has been atrocious. There are no excuses or comparisons to honorable historic events to overshadow the many foreign policy mistakes of this administration.
Not a poor comparison at all. Both Iraq and Iran had/have terrorists in their country who could easily sell some kind of WMD like ricin to other terrorists who could then sneak it into the U.S. or Great Britain or France, etc.
If something like that was sneaked into the U.S. and was successfully used to kill thousands or even hundreds of thousands of people, all I would hear the liberals saying would be "Why didn't Bush do anything!"
When he tries to fight terrorism, he is criticized; if he didn't, he would be criticized. He can't win with some people only because he is a Republican.
And if you think our foreign policy has been "atrocious" during the last 7 years, what about during the '90s, when the policy to fight terrorists was pacifism? That really worked well, didn't it?
Not a poor comparison at all. Both Iraq and Iran had/have terrorists in their country who could easily sell some kind of WMD like ricin to other terrorists who could then sneak it into the U.S. or Great Britain or France, etc.
If something like that was sneaked into the U.S. and was successfully used to kill thousands or even hundreds of thousands of people, all I would hear the liberals saying would be "Why didn't Bush do anything!"
When he tries to fight terrorism, he is criticized; if he didn't, he would be criticized. He can't win with some people only because he is a Republican.
And if you think our foreign policy has been "atrocious" during the last 7 years, what about during the '90s, when the policy to fight terrorists was pacifism? That really worked well, didn't it?
Bring up the past regarding those miserable, satanic, and destructive Democrats if it stimulates you, Fleet, but the point is we now have to worry about the things you describe in large part because of the atrocious foreign policy of the last 7 years. If the atrocious foreign policy has been under Republican rule, then live with it.
Then 7 years from now if we're fortunate enough to have someone NON-Republican (or Ron Paul) in the White House, you can bring up the past again. The only important thing is to begin repairing the damage as soon as possible from this administration.
Originally Posted by TnHilltopper
"To announce that there must be NO criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President Right or Wrong, is not only UNPATRIOTIC and SERVILE, but is Morally TREASONABLE to the American Public." Former Republican President, Theodore Roosevelt
I would add further that this would included his policies as well."
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Originally Posted by Fleet
That quote gets kind of old after awhile.
Besides, it doesn't apply in this case because many Republicans don't agree with Bush on all of his policies, myself included.
IT MUST ALWAYS APPLY! What kind of country would be we be living in when that quote goes out of style because people decide it doesn't apply? The President is only a servant of the public, not a king to whom we are servile.
If you don't mean your comment in the way I've interpreted it, please clarify. Otherwise, please explain how that attitude can be reconciled with Americanism.
Puh-lease. You actually believe this war was ever about "righting wrongs"... or bringing freedom to people who never knew it? God, I wish I could be that naive.... I'd be a lot happier of a person.
And it's amazing to me how any Vietnam vet could stand behind this "war" given the fact the people who started it weaseled thier way out of serving during Vietnam. Just on that alone, you would think you guys would hate these bastards for sending Americans in harms way when they themselves were obviously too spineless to fight 35-40 years ago.
You sir would not fight for anything....That is certain given your response.
Don't presume to know what a Viet Nam Vet feels...Who we should hate....
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Spiritwalker
I respect everyone who wore the uniform. I wore the uniform, my father wore the uniform, my brothers wear the uniform and one recently came back from Iraq.
Of course troops that get put in harm's way want to think they are serving a good purpose. And in Iraq and Vietnam, I am sure there are many victories that our troops are involved in that are helping the lives of people that live over there.
That doesn't mean however that I am required to buy hook line and sinker the BS of this or any administration, or believe that the harm that has been done through this action - in terms of Amereican blood and treasure - and in terms of the repercussions it is causing and will cause for many years in the Islamic world - validates this invasion and occupation, because let's get down to it, that is what it is.
And I don't have to sell my intelligence and integrity to be forced to swallow the tripe that any military action by our country is for our Freedom. Well, no. It is for oil and global presence and a lot of other less noble sounding objectives.
Oil and Global presence=Freedom....Is it noble? Is it right? Probably not. BUT it is the current reality...Life is a dog fight. Always has been....Always will be.
What in the hell makes you think anyone or any administration will ever change that...Look at the history of the world.
Spiritwalker
Oil and Global presence=Freedom....Is it noble? Is it right? Probably not. BUT it is the current reality...Life is a dog fight. Always has been....Always will be.
What in the hell makes you think anyone or any administration will ever change that...Look at the history of the world.
Spiritwalker
Along with the rush for global economics comes the rush for all the various neighbors in the global community to protect their newfound wealth. What you and some other posters apparently favor is global war so that all the neighbors do things the way America decides they should be done. I don’t favor the idea of the global version of a home owner’s association even if it’s America making the decisions.
And as far as life’s “dog fights” go, someone let their rabid dogs loose in our yard and now we’re trampling over various neighbors’ yards supposedly hunting them, and we don’t seem to care what damage we do. It’s not good policy to be such a bad neighbor in the global sense. The “top dog” attitude won’t work any longer. The globalists wanted globalism and they’ve got it. Best to change tactics—now.
....Is it noble? Is it right? Probably not. BUT it is the current reality...Life is a dog fight. Always has been....Always will be.
Times are changing. Get with the program, or be left in the 20th century.
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Originally Posted by spiritwalker
What in the hell makes you think anyone or any administration will ever change that...Look at the history of the world.
Well, we can at least TRY, now that we know what kind of crap oil dependence gets us into. First step: A president who ISN'T an "oil man."
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