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Old 02-01-2012, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Apple Valley Calif
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Once again, divide every dime in the USA equally so everyone in the country has exactly the same amount of money. In a few short years, all the former rich people will be rich again, and all the former poor people will be poor again.
If you're too lazy to get off your dead butt and go out and make money, it's your own fault. Winners will always remain winners, the losers will continue to cry about how unfair the world is treating them...
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:38 PM
 
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I can define value.
But I might define it differently from you.
I am trying to answer your question.
So I need to know your definition.
  1. monetary worth: an amount expressed in money or another medium of exchange that is thought to be a fair exchange for something
But I didnt use the word value at all.
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:48 PM
 
Location: The Wild Wild West
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  1. monetary worth: an amount expressed in money or another medium of exchange that is thought to be a fair exchange for something
But I didnt use the word value at all.
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If it doesnt go anywhere then why did people lose values in their homes? Again, according to left wing kooks, wealth is finite, and one gets rich at the others expense, so when you lose value in your home, it means someone else gains.. Who gained?
It's pretty simple.
If we use your definition:
Net value = current market value - purchase price (assume adjustment for inflation)
If net value is negative (loss) then purchase price > current market value.
Gains were realized when the house was first sold at an inflated price.
Losses appeared when the valuation started returning to earth.
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:52 PM
 
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It's pretty simple.
If we use your definition:
Net value = current market value - purchase price (assume adjustment for inflation)
If net value is negative (loss) then purchase price > current market value.
Gains were realized when the house was first sold at an inflated price.
Losses appeared when the valuation started returning to earth.
And who are you to determine the prices were inflated?
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:54 PM
 
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No, they're not poor because the rich are rich and just about nobody has any problem at all with the rich being rich. Is there a point here?
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:59 PM
 
Location: The Wild Wild West
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And who are you to determine the prices were inflated?
The market does that. As per your definition.
If you prefer, prices are deflated now.
In that case, those who buy cheap now will gain in the future.
Those who sell now are the losers.

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-cont...rt-updated.png
When I see this chart, I tend to see inflated prices.
But your reference point is okay too.
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:01 PM
 
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The market does that. As per your definition.
If you prefer, prices are deflated now.
In that case, those who buy cheap now will gain in the future.
Those who sell now are the losers.

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-cont...rt-updated.png
When I see this chart, I tend to see inflated prices.
But your reference point is okay too.
But the market didnt say the prices were inflated, or people wouldnt have been buying homes.
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:04 PM
 
Location: The Wild Wild West
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But the market didnt say the prices were inflated, or people wouldnt have been buying homes.
What says that people have lost value in their houses?
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:24 PM
 
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Someone poor might be happy with their 27 inch television over a 120 inch one like I have. That doesnt mean they are going to die of starvation. You can be poor and still eat, thats what foodstamps are for

But, does that mean they will be happy eating sardines, while you dine on lobster, shrimp,and stake?

Don't people complain when the poor try to get foodstamps?
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:28 PM
 
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If your for Equality of Opportunity, then you should also be an advocate for Equality in Voting Power, because giving others, a louder voice via money, takes away that Equality of Opportunity when the top elite exists to serve each other at the expense of the rest of the nation.
There is nothing preventing one from voting.

Poor people simply make excuses, as they do for everything in their lives.

That's why they're poor.
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