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Singapore today actually subsidizes large families in order to increase their birthrate. IMO state governments in the U.S. ought to do the same for married couples.
So does europe, and it's been shown to be a total failure in both cases . People want less kids not because they cannot afford them, but they simply don't desire large families.
In the conservative states, it's actually more about impoverished illegals coming over to give birth here so they can be handed quick easy citizenship and food stamps, Section 8, WIC and so on.
12 year old girl dropping out of school to have sex with her boyfriend in an abandoned motel -- next stop -- a hospital in the USA and then on over to a welfare office to claim her rewards.
In Texas, almost all the very young births are not to American girls at all. The importatioin of a third world culture has a lot more to do with the young teen birth rate.
Actually you will find that teen births among white girls is still higher in the south.
My mother and I were having this discussion the other day with regards to all the latest abortion/birth control discussion in the news. She graduated high school in 1962. She said there were plenty of girls getting pregnant then and it just was a drastic life changer for them. They either disappeared and were never seen again (sent off somewhere), participated in "back alley" abortions, or had their whole futures drastically changed by having a baby. Her memories were that none were too happy with options. Human behavior hasn't changed. I don't believe behavior has gotten any worse or more promiscuous. I believe that we are just more open about it. You are never going to stop people from participating in sex. Even under the threat of shame and death. Oh sure, there's always those people who never do anything impulsive but the nature of humans is to have sex.
I, for one, am glad to see that if a young female gets pregnant, she is no longer shunned by society, is able to finish her education, is able to continue to have career, or can safely have an abortion if that is what she deems is what she can handle. People should have to risk their lives or their entire remaining 40+ years on earth because of a pregnancy.
The groups having the MOST abortions are also the groups having the MOST teen and out-of-wedlock births.
The easy quick abortion argument really doesn't work because after legal abortion, the births to teens and single mothers soared.
It correlates more with the very nice comfortable life of welfare handouts. Give birth and it's like hitting the jackpot, very appealing to girls who have no study skills, no work ethic.
Yes well that is true, but my point is to point out that this conservative 'dream last' this guy is talking about is a myth.
Well -- as far as I'm concerned, any conservative welfare queens should be dumped off the welfare handouts as well as the liberal ones.
The welfare programs are just far too atrractive as a way of life -- and giving birth to access the welfare programs is foolish policy, these are perfectly able-bodied girls and women who need to learn to work for a living.
Welfare for someone with no arms or legs, or zero vision, or under 70 IQ is one thing but the vast majority of welfare recipients have two arms, two legs and IQs at least 70.
Terms like "out of wedlock" - remind me of some Catholic instution where out of shame you would send your daughter who was pregnant to be tormented and abused by nuns...it's dated - woman should not be persecuted because they do not have a state or church sanctioned breeding licence...and fathers who are not formally married should not be given a hard time for not being formally married...Why do people want to make giving birth to human beings so unpleasant and difficult? No wonder the fathers run off with jerks picking on them for not being compliant to the controllers of society...Yes it is better to be formally married...only because you will get persecuted for not being so.....Kind of like paying taxes to keep the parasitic wolves away from the door.
I agree.
Much of the change in married births vs. unmarried births stems from changes in society. There is no longer the stigma of having children outside of marriage.
Well -- as far as I'm concerned, any conservative welfare queens should be dumped off the welfare handouts as well as the liberal ones.
The welfare programs are just far too atrractive as a way of life -- and giving birth to access the welfare programs is foolish policy, these are perfectly able-bodied girls and women who need to learn to work for a living.
Welfare for someone with no arms or legs, or zero vision, or under 70 IQ is one thing but the vast majority of welfare recipients have two arms, two legs and IQs at least 70.
Do you know anything about welfare programs? Because it sounds like you are describing the welfare system of the 1960s. That's not the same now. Welfare is a state program and temporary and is not particularly generous, with a five-year lifetime limit on cash assistance.
Overall decline in welfare monthly benefits (in 2006 dollars)
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. People want less kids not because they cannot afford them, but they simply don't desire large families.
