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...citing any notes from the debates on the subject during the Constitutional Convention, an article from the Federalist Papers, or defined within the Constitution itself.
And just to be clear, this excludes Vattel, or anyone else who did not attend the convention.
To understand the US Constitution one cannot merely turn a blind eye to common law and its interpretations/usage at the time our Constitution was written.
Four court cases addressing natural born citizenship:
I'm certain that this does not fall within your acceptable parameters but do you think I really care? This topic has been beaten to death in dozens of threads throught CD.
"Each of these cases will cite or apply the definition of this term, as given in a book entitled, The Law of Nations, written by Emmerich de Vattel,...."
To understand the US Constitution one cannot merely turn a blind eye to common law and its interpretations/usage at the time our Constitution was written.
i give you this, from william rawle, a george washington appointee:
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges."
A search of C-D will yield thousands of posts on this exact subject, do we really have to go through this again?
You can change the channel, place me on your ignore list or get the birthers to drop the issue. Other than that I would love for you or them to just answer the question posted.
i give you this, from william rawle, a george washington appointee:
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges."
The full quotation:
A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION of the United States of America.
BY WILLIAM RAWLE, LL.D.
SECOND EDITION. PHILADELPHIA:
PHILIP H. NICKLIN, LAW BOOKSELLER,
NO. 175,CHESTNUT STREET. 1829.
CHAPTER IX.OF THE ENUMERATED POWERS OF CONGRESS
The citizens of each state constituted the citizens of the United States when the Constitution wasadopted. The rights which appertained to them as citizens of those respective commonwealths,accompanied them in the formation of the great, compound commonwealth which ensued. They became citizens of the latter, without ceasing to be citizens of the former, and he who was subsequently born a citizen of a state, became at the moment of his birth a citizen of the United States.
Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts,whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.
It is an error to suppose, as some (and even so great a mind as Locke) have done, that a child is born a citizen of no country and subject of no government, and that be so continues till the age of discretion, when he is at liberty to put himself under what government he pleases. How far the adult possesses this power will hereafter be considered, but surely it would be unjust both to the state and to the infant, to withhold the quality of the citizen until those years of discretion were attained. Under our Constitution the question is settled by its express language, and when we are informed that, excepting those who were citizens, (however the capacity was acquired,) at the time the Constitution was adopted, no person is eligible to the office of president unless he is a natural born citizen, the principle that the place of birth creates the relative quality is established as to us.
...citing any notes from the debates on the subject during the Constitutional Convention, an article from the Federalist Papers, or defined within the Constitution itself.
And just to be clear, this excludes Vattel, or anyone else who did not attend the convention.
If I find that in Madison's book, you know his notes from the daily debates would it be acceptable? I bet you wouldn't accept it, but just out of respect I will look in my copy.
If I find that in Madison's book, you know his notes from the daily debates would it be acceptable? I bet you wouldn't accept it, but just out of respect I will look in my copy.
Ah this is why you are on my ignore list. Did you read the OP?
...citing any notes from the debates on the subject during the Constitutional Convention, an article from the Federalist Papers, or defined within the Constitution itself.
(I only know you asked the question because HistorianDude quoted you)
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