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I don't wake up wondering what Obama did today to break the country. What a breath of fresh air. To have a president that actually knows how to fix things.
If things turn out rosy in the Middle East, how that will relate to the illegal invasion of Iraq is beyond me.
well, let's put aside the debate on "illegal" here and just assume that going was right if it ends up being rosy. That's all I'm saying...he will get positive credit for that if it turns out that way.
Bush only needed 2 Dems in the Senate and 3 Dems in the House to pass the authorization.
But he didn't need the authorization to start the war. Bush, Sr. made clear when he asked for Congresssional authorization for the first Gulf War in 1991, that asking was merely a "courtesy" and he was going to do what he wanted in his capacity as Commander in Chief. And he was rather reasonable compared to W.
The 2002 Democrats were disgusting, spineless creeps. But the war wasn't their idea. They didn't do what little they could do obstruct it. But they didn't start it.
If you want to discuss like an adult, I will engage. If all you want to do is call names, i'll ignore your posts.
No they aren't. Look at the voting split. Bush either knowingly fed Congress bad intel, or manufactured evidence in order to go into Iraq. The info wasn't vetted properly by the people who voted for it, and the rest, unfortunately, is history.
This the last time I am going to try and explain my point. If you want more go back and read my previous posts.
YES Bush initiated the action.
The House, with a repub majority, voted "Yes" on the bill to give Bush authority to invade Iraq.
Then we have the Senate.
The dems controlled the Senate.
Senator Tom Daschle was the Majority Leader.
He co-sponsored a bill to give Bush authority to invade Iraq.
He could have let the bill die, as Harry Reid has done these past 2 years.
Let me say this real slow. Bush could NOT HAVE INVADED IRAQ WITHOUT SENATE APPROVAL. which he got, making it bi-partisan.
Isn't that what a lot of you are always clamoring for now.
The INTEL was the SAME INTEL CLINTON HAD.
You cannot ignore all the quotes made during the Clinton admin and be honest.
Clinton even signed for a regime change in Iraq based on that Intel.
Are you claiming all that previous intel was cooked?
This the last time I am going to try and explain my point. If you want more go back and read my previous posts.
YES Bush initiated the action.
The House, with a repub majority, voted "Yes" on the bill to give Bush authority to invade Iraq.
Then we have the Senate.
The dems controlled the Senate.
Senator Tom Daschle was the Majority Leader.
He co-sponsored a bill to give Bush authority to invade Iraq.
He could have let the bill die, as Harry Reid has done these past 2 years.
Let me say this real slow. Bush could NOT HAVE INVADED IRAQ WITHOUT SENATE APPROVAL. which he got, making it bi-partisan.
Isn't that what a lot of you are always clamoring for now.
The INTEL was the SAME INTEL CLINTON HAD.
You cannot ignore all the quotes made during the Clinton admin and be honest.
Clinton even signed for a regime change in Iraq based on that Intel.
Are you claiming all that previous intel was cooked?
Look at post 233, then see below.
I claim that Bush either ignored intel that contradicted what he wanted to do, or he deliberately mislead Congress into backing him. Again, look at how many D and How many R voted to go into Iraq. You want to exonerate GWB for Iraq, it won't fly. He put it before Congress.
I claim that Bush either ignored intel that contradicted what he wanted to do, or he deliberately mislead Congress into backing him. Again, look at how many D and How many R voted to go into Iraq. You want to exonerate GWB for Iraq, it won't fly. He put it before Congress.
GWB even ADMITTED they found no WMDs or other weapons in Iraq.
Iraq had NADA to do with 9/11.
Iraq did NOT have WMDs, Chem or Bio Weapons.
Iraq had NO ties to Al Quaeda, Sadam Hussein hated Bin Laden (on a side note, I hope both of them are getting reamed by Hitler in Hell).
From your link: (Carnegie Foundation)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnegie
Prior to 2002, most national and international offi
cials and experts believed that Iraq likely had research
programs and some stores of hidden chemical
or biological weapons and maintained interest in a
program to develop nuclear weapons
.
The Bush admin never claimed that Iraq was involved in 9/11. Cheney specifically said that there was no evidence of it.
There was intel suggesting that Iraq had vague ties to Al Quaeda, later discredited. But there was a history of links between Saddam and other terrorists.
This the last time I am going to try and explain my point. If you want more go back and read my previous posts.
YES Bush initiated the action.
The House, with a repub majority, voted "Yes" on the bill to give Bush authority to invade Iraq.
Then we have the Senate.
The dems controlled the Senate.
Senator Tom Daschle was the Majority Leader.
He co-sponsored a bill to give Bush authority to invade Iraq.
He could have let the bill die, as Harry Reid has done these past 2 years.
Let me say this real slow. Bush could NOT HAVE INVADED IRAQ WITHOUT SENATE APPROVAL. which he got, making it bi-partisan.
Isn't that what a lot of you are always clamoring for now.
The INTEL was the SAME INTEL CLINTON HAD.
You cannot ignore all the quotes made during the Clinton admin and be honest.
Clinton even signed for a regime change in Iraq based on that Intel.
Are you claiming all that previous intel was cooked?
Quote:
Originally Posted by carterstamp
Look at post 233, then see below.
I claim that Bush either ignored intel that contradicted what he wanted to do, or he deliberately mislead Congress into backing him. Again, look at how many D and How many R voted to go into Iraq. You want to exonerate GWB for Iraq, it won't fly. He put it before Congress.
See if you can answer this trivia question: What occurred in Washington DC on October 16, 2002?
Is that is the day when all references to Iraq started, and before that date no democrat had ever made a comment or vote on anything to do with that country?
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