Birth Certificate now proven false in AZ? (crimes, claims, constitution)

[Bideshi]

Originally Posted by Don9

It will be like Watergate and the downfall of an American President all over again.

If it is proven that such a colossal fraud has been perpetrated, a lot more people will be going to jail than did with Watergate. That would include the big "O" himself.

[Harrier]

Originally Posted by HistorianDude

The reason Birthism carry with it the presumption of racism is because it is the only motive that makes sense... ignoring that it is despicable, of course.

This motive doesn't make sense?

Originally Posted by Harrier

If they aren't motivated by race could it be that they are motivated by a desire to know the truth and ensure that the man sitting in the White House is lawfully eleigible to be there?

[buzzards27]

Don, Joe's posse did nothing. There is no way to download an image from the internet and examine what you downloaded to determine if the original is authentic. As if you could download an examine a picture of a diamond to determine if the diamond is real....

How dense do you have to be to believe that?

Originally Posted by Don9

The fraudulent birth certificate (.pdf) posted on the White House website was already known and proven by a civilian (non law enforcement). The Sheriff Arpaio investigation performed similar techniques to prove it was fraud but they worked with experts in Adobe PDF format and OCR/Optimization software. The experts signed affidavits and will appear as expert witnesses in court. The selective service card was also proven fraudulent and again experts were used and they also will appear in court. The investigation yielded much more evidence and witnesses that was not applicable to the Maricopa County specific concern for Obama's eligibility to be on the 2012 ballot and this additional evidence prompted the investigative team to ask for a full criminal investigation which would be applicable at the Federal level and involve a Congressional investigation.

[Arus]

Originally Posted by Don9

The fraudulent birth certificate (.pdf) posted on the White House website was already known and proven by a civilian (non law
enforcement).

Wrong. the copy (PDF) of the SCANNED from the ORIGINAL Certified Copy, to this day has not been proven to be fraudulent by any respectable expert

you have the testimony of NON-experts saying it's a "forgerY' based on their ignorance of Graphic software.

And these experts FAILED to realize that not a SINGLE Adobe product was used to create the PDF. It was entirely created by built-in software found on a MAC computer, as it received the information from a scanner.

I've worked in the graphics field since before Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator was even a blink in someone's eye, and knew from experience that these fraud experts were blowing nothing but steam from bovine excrement.

The Sheriff Arpaio investigation performed similar techniques to prove it was fraud but they worked with experts in Adobe PDF format and OCR/Optimization software.

No, they did not. They created a fake COLb based on their own inexperience and ignorant understanding of the software they used.

THey did NOT recreate anything, but show the world their ignorance.

They did not scan a document in the SAME software and SCANNER that the White House used.

The experts signed affidavits and will appear as expert witnesses in court.

AFFIDAVITS mean nothing. They do not attest to that the information is correct, only that the person making the claims is the person they claim to be.

And the court has already ruled on thes "experts" affidavits. In GA. And the Judge found their claims to be without merit and done by those who WERE not experts.

The selective service card was also proven fraudulent and again experts were used and they also will appear in court.

Wrong. this proves that the investigation was done by morons.

Seeing that the Selective SErvice card was gotten through an FOIA request, they are accuing another BIRTHER for fraud.

And the Postmark thing was nothing but ignorance on the part of Zullo
President Obama's Selective Service Registration - Birther Debunkers Wiki

The investigation yielded much more evidence and witnesses that was not applicable to the Maricopa County specific concern for eligibility to be on the ballot and this additional evidence prompted the investigative team to ask for a full criminal investigation which would be applicable at the Federal level and involve a Congressional investigation.

no the investigation is a rehash of 4 year old conspiracy theories, with nothing new. It was nearly a word-for-word repeat of Zebests' articel she wrote for WND over 8 months ago, with a little added zeal to it. And Zebest is a known PUMA who spoke ill of Obama before he was elected President.


This was nothing but a sham investigation. Basically the entire thing was bought and paid for by World Nut daily, as a means to get an "official" stamp so that Corsi can push more of his FAILED book for sale.

[Sco]

Originally Posted by Don9

The fraudulent birth certificate (.pdf) posted on the White House website was already known and proven by a civilian (non law enforcement). The Sheriff Arpaio investigation performed similar techniques to prove it was fraud but they worked with experts in Adobe PDF format and OCR/Optimization software. The experts signed affidavits and will appear as expert witnesses in court. The selective service card was also proven fraudulent and again experts were used and they also will appear in court. The investigation yielded much more evidence and witnesses that was not applicable to the Maricopa County specific concern for Obama's eligibility to be on the 2012 ballot and this additional evidence prompted the investigative team to ask for a full criminal investigation which would be applicable at the Federal level and involve a Congressional investigation.

LOL, birthers are so gullible and stupid.

How can you determine that an original document is a forgery by only reviewing a PDF version you obtained from the internet? Joke Arpaio did not even make contact with the State of Hawaii or attempt to verify the authenticity of the actual document.

The so-called investigation is too dumb to really warrant a discussion. It is like me declaring the US Constitution to be a fake because the souvenir copy that I examined was printed using modern techniques and on the wrong type of paper.

Hawaii has confirmed that President Obama's birth certificate is authentic and accurate and state officials have even gone so far as to publically declare that there is no doubt that he was born in Honolulu. Nobody, including the Arpaio and Corsi clown show yesterday has ever been able to offer a single shred of evidence that refutes the assertions made by the only official agency that matters - the Hawaiian state government.

[Vascodagama]

Originally Posted by Bideshi

If it is proven that such a colossal fraud has been perpetrated, a lot more people will be going to jail than did with Watergate. That would include the big "O" himself.

Yes, I agree. There could be a lot of people going to jail ... and giving the magnitude of the crime ... there should be a lot of people going to jail.

Obama should be sent to the Supermax.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by Don9

The fraudulent birth certificate (.pdf) posted on the White House website was already known and proven by a civilian (non law enforcement).

That sentence is not even in English.

Originally Posted by Don9

The experts signed affidavits and will appear as expert witnesses in court.

Sadly, when they tried that in Georgia they were exposed as fakes. Not one of them is an actual expert, so the court declared their testimony worthless.

Originally Posted by Don9

The selective service card was also proven fraudulent and again experts were used and they also will appear in court.

Nonsense. The Selective Service has declared it to be completely authentic. They were even the ones who provided it.... during the Bush administration, no less.

Originally Posted by Don9

The investigation yielded much more evidence and witnesses that was not applicable to the Maricopa County specific concern for Obama's eligibility to be on the 2012 ballot and this additional evidence prompted the investigative team to ask for a full criminal investigation which would be applicable at the Federal level and involve a Congressional investigation.

Now you're just making up bullsh*t again.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by Don9

Yes, I agree. There could be a lot of people going to jail ... and giving the magnitude of the crime ... there should be a lot of people going to jail.

Wet dreams in public are so unseemly.

Originally Posted by Don9

Obama should be sent to the Supermax.

And there was the money shot.

Yuk.

[Sco]

Originally Posted by Don9

Sheriff Arpaio came up with the evidence.

LOL, he didn't even examine the actual document. His "evidence" is the same old birther crap based only on a PDF version they found on the internet.

I can't believe that anyone is stupid enough to fall for Arpaio's dog and pony show. Anyone that stupid must have a tattoo on their forearm that reminds them to breathe and eat.

[Arus]

Originally Posted by Sco

LOL, birthers are so gullible and stupid.

How can you determine that an original document is a forgery by only reviewing a PDF version you obtained from the internet? Joke Arpaio did not even make contact with the State of Hawaii or attempt to verify the authenticity of the actual document.

Yup, you figured A REAL investigator would actually INVESTIGATE where the document originated:

A representative with the Hawaii Attorney General's Office said no one from the Sheriff's Office ever requested to inspect or collect documents related to the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate.

Read more: Arpaio unveils Obama birth-certificate probe

so, what "investigation" did Joe's posse perform exactly? We already know that his "investigation" is a rehash Zebest's 8 month old article that she posted to World Nut Daily.