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Old 03-16-2012, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Could be that the GOP has let all the loons out of the closet, this may be the "Purge in the Fall". Then 4yrs to work on rebuilding the GOP.
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Old 03-16-2012, 03:53 PM
 
Location: California
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Could be that the GOP has let all the loons out of the closet, this may be the "Purge in the Fall". Then 4yrs to work on rebuilding the GOP.
That's what a lot of people think, including me. Sacrafice everyone and let the craziness fly, see what's left when the dust settles, and start from scratch.
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Old 03-16-2012, 04:05 PM
 
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Republicans think making a big stink about birth control is a winning issue for an election year. All I can say is that they are even more ignorant than I thought. I left the Republican party hoping they could allow people with a brain to get back in control. Instead, they are doubling down on stupid.

4 more years of Obama, gee thanks a lot GOP.

Time to support a 3rd party and hope the the GOP goes the way of the Whigs and Federalists, extinct.
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Old 03-16-2012, 04:19 PM
 
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It's none of the employer's business why you are prescribed a medication. That is information they are not entitled to receive. Period. This potential new law would force employees to disclose private medical information, which is an end run around HIPAA, and certainly violates the spirit of HIPAA.

It's not about the money. It's about being able to safeguard your own private medical information. Employers are not only not entitled to the information, they are not required to keep your medical information private.
Sure they are in that they can say only in certai case with thier insurnce coverage. Same as they do with all coverage.Do you seriously beliieve that you can get a heart procedure without justification medically to the employers ineurance company? If you want control the YOU have to pay for what you want. Witht eh new healthcare law your about to see governamnt information explode on who has pre-existign conditions to get subsidised by them. Government tracking of your health is goig to be in mnay hands never before invisioned by most.It will eb as unsecure as informatio on who is in medicare and beleive me once you get the card in the mail ;you''ll find out just now easy governemtn information is to get.
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Old 03-16-2012, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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I've gotten to the point that I actually had to go and read the bill (page 12) to believe what was reported. I really think this has gotten out of control!
Post the section that concerns you. Let's analyze it.
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Old 03-17-2012, 05:57 AM
 
Location: North America
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Sure they are in that they can say only in certai case with thier insurnce coverage. Same as they do with all coverage.Do you seriously beliieve that you can get a heart procedure without justification medically to the employers ineurance company? If you want control the YOU have to pay for what you want. Witht eh new healthcare law your about to see governamnt information explode on who has pre-existign conditions to get subsidised by them. Government tracking of your health is goig to be in mnay hands never before invisioned by most.It will eb as unsecure as informatio on who is in medicare and beleive me once you get the card in the mail ;you''ll find out just now easy governemtn information is to get.
There is a difference between the insurance company knowing you have a condition as part of a doctors billing, and having to hand over your medical records to YOUR employer for them to decide if they want to let you have birth control. It's funny how things that affect men like viagra aren't also considered under this bill.
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Old 03-17-2012, 11:43 AM
 
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So short sighted since people many who end up pregnant will either abort or have unwanted kids that will be a drain on society.

I don't understand the reasoning for a bill like this...except for political posturing and that's just disgusting if you think about it.

On the other hand it's a shortcut to making contraception "medically necessary" for everyone.
Except that the availability of birth control has not led to fewer unwanted babies that are a drain on society.

There are more birth control methods out there than ever, and the number of children born to food stamps and Medicaid is also higher than ever.
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Old 03-17-2012, 11:47 AM
 
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While growing up, and while active duty, and while civilian, I was perfectly capable of purchasing condoms, and spermicide without insurance, or military help, or doctor's script. So yes, even if it was ONLY for males, it would be a problem. It is not society's responsibility to cover birth control, for males or females.

If you cannot afford a couple of bucks for protection, maybe you should keep it zipped.
Exactly -- and why can't women today have her boyfriend help pay for THEIR birth control?

It's kind of silly that they aren't expecting others to pay for movie tickets, wine, or dinner -- they have plenty of money for all that, it's just the condoms they want others to provide for them.

Fertility is not a disease. Birth control is not a medicine to help fight a disease. And why can't people decide to pay for something they want?
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Old 03-17-2012, 12:03 PM
 
Location: California
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Exactly -- and why can't women today have her boyfriend help pay for THEIR birth control?

It's kind of silly that they aren't expecting others to pay for movie tickets, wine, or dinner -- they have plenty of money for all that, it's just the condoms they want others to provide for them.

Fertility is not a disease. Birth control is not a medicine to help fight a disease. And why can't people decide to pay for something they want?
They could do that but depending on, and then shifting part of the blame to, a man never seems to fly anymore. Women have to take responsibility for themselves.

This isn't about boyfriends and sex. It's about Rx coverage for insurance we pay for. Rx coverage that insurance comapnies WANT to pay for and have been doing over 25 years becasue it saves them money. Fertility can and does effect a womans health, you don't have to think about it you just need to know it. Everything falls into place after that. We pay for insurance to cover meds we need. Employers get tax breaks by offering us insurance instead of more money on our paychecks. They win, we win, everyone wins.
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Old 03-17-2012, 12:22 PM
 
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Sure they are in that they can say only in certai case with thier insurnce coverage. Same as they do with all coverage.Do you seriously beliieve that you can get a heart procedure without justification medically to the employers ineurance company? If you want control the YOU have to pay for what you want. Witht eh new healthcare law your about to see governamnt information explode on who has pre-existign conditions to get subsidised by them. Government tracking of your health is goig to be in mnay hands never before invisioned by most.It will eb as unsecure as informatio on who is in medicare and beleive me once you get the card in the mail ;you''ll find out just now easy governemtn information is to get.
Read it again. Of course the insurance company needs to know so that they can issue the first denial before they approve it. The employer has no need to know your medical details. Period.
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