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The 'youth' I come in contact with (I'm 28 and I'm regularly around people from around age 19-35 or so) are incredibly intelligent, self sufficient and surprisingly grounded. Perhaps many are simply focusing on the negative because that's what they're fed by the media? Many of my friends are working on advanced degrees, doing field research and the vast majority of them actually study things like cosmology and physics for FUN.
Of course, I do have the drinking buddy group who are more than happy to drink watery beer and work retail their entire life but I don't judge an entire generation by their actions. For the most part, I think our generation is chugging along quite nicely if you ignore the media blasting all the bad things that happen. Instead of focusing on what Fox or MSNBC is telling you, try visiting the organic chemistry lab of your local university and see what these 25 year old 'kids' are doing... I think many would be surprised
However, I think a large part of our failings in the educational system is that Americans generally don't like intelligence... if you're smart and apply yourself you're not necessarily respected. If you're a 'nerd' you're ostracized, but if you're a dumb jock you're praised. Personally, I see something very wrong with that. We should be pushing intelligence, and encouraging learning! Too many people just slodge through school and are so glad it's over, but I think it would be great if we could instill a love of learning so that Carl Sagan books outsell the Twilight series. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening anytime soon
Yep, they cannot count your money back when they make a mistake, you need to help them out, some do not know what a red figure is.
I worked fast food back in the 1980s. Orders were called to the back and we had to remember the order and fix it as called back. Today's fast food workers get the orders wrong just as often but they have the advantage of a computer screen displaying the exact order in their faces and they still get it wrong.
I strongly disagree on education. Having a working knowledge of electronic devices isn't a sign of great education. World wide studies show your generation to be among the dumbest our nation has had for many decades.
Whoa, so more students receiving a high school diploma means they're smarter or does it mean the public school system pretty much gave up on actually holding back students and just moved them along regardless of their actual level of education? If they're so much more educated then why the explosion of remedial courses to bring Freshmen up to Freshmen levels in college? Why the huge number of foreign students graduating with honors and degrees in engineering, medicine , and chemistry while so many of their American classmates enjoy the fruits of their liberal arts degrees and humanities studies (or as I like to call them, the blame men, white men, and or USA courses).
Look up USA student rankings in education compared to the rest of the world and you'll find the decline.
No. What you're referring to, Sailerdave, is the US "decline" in mathematical skills and science skills. But that "decline" is relative; it is only a decline relative to The Orient, where math and science literacy are extremely high. We've actually improved there in recent years, but not enough.
It's not incidental that some parts of our country, parts you undoubtedly cherish as a conservative, think it's a good idea to teach invisible jewish zombie theory alongside evolution in science class.
"Socialist fascist liberal regimes," quoting Limbaugh, such as Finland and Switzerland, lead the way in math and science.
So, in summary: you made up a point, changed the goal posts when called out, and the goal post shifting post was also wrong.
Hmm, you admit the decline and then try to make excuses for the decline, make bigoted assumptions about myself and the region where I live (while hiding your location from your profile). Not a very good night for you on the Internet. Did my post hit close to home? Where ever that may be.
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No. What you're referring to, Sailerdave, is the US "decline" in mathematical skills and science skills. But that "decline" is relative; it is only a decline relative to The Orient, where math and science literacy are extremely high. We've actually improved there in recent years, but not enough.
It's not incidental that some parts of our country, parts you undoubtedly cherish as a conservative, think it's a good idea to teach invisible jewish zombie theory alongside evolution in science class.
"Socialist fascist liberal regimes," quoting Limbaugh, such as Finland and Switzerland, lead the way in math and science.
So, in summary: you made up a point, changed the goal posts when called out, and the goal post shifting post was also wrong.
Whoa, so more students receiving a high school diploma means they're smarter or does it mean the public school system pretty much gave up on actually holding back students and just moved them along regardless of their actual level of education? If they're so much more educated then why the explosion of remedial courses to bring Freshmen up to Freshmen levels in college? Why the huge number of foreign students graduating with honors and degrees in engineering, medicine , and chemistry while so many of their American classmates enjoy the fruits of their liberal arts degrees and humanities studies (or as I like to call them, the blame men, white men, and or USA courses).
Regarding the lack of achievement between American students vs foreign students, your statements are purely your own opinion. As is your statement about remedial courses. Throw something scientific in there to prove your point at least.
Did you even go to college yourself? And what the hell does this mean? "(or as I like to call them, the blame men, white men, and or USA courses)."
You are too much dude. Go retire or something. lol.
Every generation is more intelligent than the previous; or at least significantly more learned, which usually raises IQ just incidentally. We simply know more about the world due to advances in science and tech than previous generations.
as for violence et al, we've quantified it. It's not really opinion. Dr Pinker, take it away:
IQ =???
Does IQ = greater common sense? I doubt it.
I stand by my observations of math skills as well as work ethic. I am a team leader and have been for 16 years. I take a great deal of pride in training my people. It really isn't personal but todays youth struggle multiplying. An example of real life azz kicker problems that college students struggle with where I work.
Line is making 23 logs of paper towels per minute. Core bin holds 40 minutes of cores. How many cores does the bin hold. We are shuttilng the line down in 1 hour 15 minutes how many cores do we need.
God strike me down They cant do the math without a calculator.
Every generation contemptuously thinks everything is going to "hell in a handbasket!" because of the next generation. It's just human nature in general -- not for all, but in general -- to believe that *they* did it (whatever 'it' happens to be) right and "these kids today" will never manage to follow suit.
Maybe some of them pause sometimes to think that their parent's generation sneered at them with the same contempt, but most probably don't have the capacity for even such mild introspection as that.
Regarding the lack of achievement between American students vs foreign students, your statements are purely your own opinion. As is your statement about remedial courses. Throw something scientific in there to prove your point at least.
Did you even go to college yourself? And what the hell does this mean? "(or as I like to call them, the blame men, white men, and or USA courses)."
You are too much dude. Go retire or something. lol.
To answer your question, no, I didn't go to college. However, I did attend the Navy's Nuclear Power school when it was in Orlando, FL in 1990.
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Yep, they cannot count your money back when they make a mistake, you need to help them out, some do not know what a red figure is.
