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Old 04-14-2012, 07:40 AM
 
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Watch this video. Yes, they are all union workers and make on average twice per hour than that of their American counterparts. So why is VW such a success? They have the best engineers, marketing people and designers. In other words, it's the non-union management that is much smarter in Germany than ours. They pay their workers a good wage and benefits because they are smart.

And don't tell me Americans cannot do as good a job as these guys. We invented the automobile industry and mass production. It has nothing to do with the union workers. Anyone who blames workers for the challenges of the American Auto Industry is ignorant of the facts.


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Old 04-14-2012, 07:51 AM
 
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Unions, what's to hate?

Aside from having to pay protection to keep your job, I mean union dues. You money actually goes to support political candidates you personally may not support. How does that make you feel?

Any company with union workers is a company with a concrete block tied to its neck.

And teachers unions who profess that any teacher on the job longer than another teacher is worth more by that single criteria. That practice of tenure has stunted the education of America's future.

The unions are the money supply and life line for democratic party

And of course, why fear unions....how about jimmy hoffa jr


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Old 04-14-2012, 07:54 AM
 
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They pay their workers a good wage and benefits because they are smart.
That Volkswagen you see on the road in the US was likely made in Chattanooga by one of their almost 3000 non-union employees that start at about $15/hour.

Also:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...roduction.html
Volkswagen AG, Europe’s largest carmaker, will build an assembly plant in eastern China as part of a plan to double capacity in the world’s biggest auto market within four years. The factory in Yizheng, Jiansu province, will have a capacity to build 300,000 vehicles and will begin production in 2013, Wolfsburg, Germany-based Volkswagen said in a statement today. VW announced plans last month to build a factory in Foshan in the southern province of Guangdong. The two factories will increase VW’s production sites in China to 11 and give the carmaker an annual capacity in the country of 3 million vehicles. VW is investing 6 billion euros ($7.7 billion) to expand in the country as vehicle sales boom.


Good wage and benefits indeed.
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Old 04-14-2012, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Watch this video. Yes, they are all union workers and make on average twice per hour than that of their American counterparts. So why is VW such a success? They have the best engineers, marketing people and designers. In other words, it's the non-union management that is much smarter in Germany than ours. They pay their workers a good wage and benefits because they are smart.

And don't tell me Americans cannot do as good a job as these guys. We invented the automobile industry and mass production. It has nothing to do with the union workers. Anyone who blames workers for the challenges of the American Auto Industry is ignorant of the facts.


Volkswagen Tansparent Factory Dresden 2012 - YouTube
Actually, the volkswagon workers in Chatanooga are NOT union workers, and the union wants them to try to unionize,.

UAW wants Volkswagen workers to seek union election | The Tennessean | tennessean.com

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Pay disparity exists

Volkswagen’s hourly pay begins at about $14 and can range to nearly $20 an hour. New workers at UAW facilities such as the General Motors plant in Spring Hill begin at about $17 an hour, and experienced workers make about $29, plus benefits.

BTW the benefits package the workers in Germany gets are nowhere near what the UNION workers in american car plants have demanded and received, which is why they pay twice as much in germany.
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Old 04-14-2012, 08:00 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Bro a life long union iron worker. suddenly medical coverage dropped for retirees, a big meeting not for discussion but to sell coverage to the guys. the vendors got paid by the number of guys they met with.

meanwhile the union bosses have state and national coverage.

time put in in and dues paid in one union territory not counted in the home territory.

unions, no thanks!
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Old 04-14-2012, 08:00 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Love Union states.

They cause all their businesses to relocate to Right to Work States like TX.

We're booming... They're dieing.

Thanks
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Old 04-14-2012, 08:06 AM
 
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Watch this video. Yes, they are all union workers and make on average twice per hour than that of their American counterparts. So why is VW such a success? They have the best engineers, marketing people and designers. In other words, it's the non-union management that is much smarter in Germany than ours. They pay their workers a good wage and benefits because they are smart.

And don't tell me Americans cannot do as good a job as these guys. We invented the automobile industry and mass production. It has nothing to do with the union workers. Anyone who blames workers for the challenges of the American Auto Industry is ignorant of the facts.

The VW Golf I used to drive was assembled in Mexico, by employees making 1/3rd what American Auto Workers make.
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Old 04-14-2012, 08:08 AM
 
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So if non union is so great, why is VW doing so well? And they did long before the TN plant was even thought of. If the TN plant is successful, it will have nothing to do with what the workers are being paid is the point. It's all about the decisions at the top. VW could easily pay those workers $40 per hour and make a ton of money. And Chattanooga would be much better off with a thriving middle class. $15 per hour is starvation wages.
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Old 04-14-2012, 08:10 AM
 
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The VW Golf I used to drive was assembled in Mexico, by employees making 1/3rd what American Auto Workers make.
George, I'm sure local politics have a lot to do with wages being paid. VW likes to make a buck like anyone. But I'm sure they are willing to pay more, it's the Mexican authorities that are taxing those wages. In other words VW is probably paying good money for that labor and much of it going to corrupt Mexican authorities. Much worse than any union.
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Old 04-14-2012, 08:15 AM
 
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VW could easily pay those workers $40 per hour and make a ton of money.
Ah, so VW could easily pay the higher wages to their workers but they are making hundreds of thousands of cars in China and dealing with lag time, shipping costs, and import tariffs just for the hell of it? They sure are silly.

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And Chattanooga would be much better off with a thriving middle class. $15 per hour is starvation wages.
Hyperbole much? I invite you to post links to local news in Chattanooga about all the malnutrition cases that must be flooding the hospitals of TN.

This thread is such fail.
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