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Old 04-30-2012, 09:30 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Or born overseas to US citizen parents.

We are still here because Birthers are insane.
Thanks, Dude. You're right on both counts.
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Old 04-30-2012, 09:33 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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With the argument that Obama is not native born because when he was born his father was Kenyan, does that argument also apply to this bloke Rubio who was born to Cuban parents who were not US citizens ?

It will be interesting reading the arguments put forward that makes Rubio native born but Obama not.


Neither is Romney's father. He is a Mexican.

The reason Romney doesn't want to get it going, either.
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Old 04-30-2012, 09:42 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Natural Born
vs.
Naturalized

Two different things here. Yes, if in fact Obama was born on US soil, he is a naturalized citizen, but not a natural born citizen, based on his parents alliance to another nation, that can and does influence the first generation citizen.
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Old 04-30-2012, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Neither is Romney's father. He is a Mexican.

The reason Romney doesn't want to get it going, either.
Supposedly, Romney's father was born a US citizen in Mexico. Supposedly, his parents were US citizens who were born in the US (Mitt's paternal grandparents).

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Natural Born
vs.
Naturalized

Two different things here. Yes, if in fact Obama was born on US soil, he is a naturalized citizen, but not a natural born citizen, based on his parents alliance to another nation, that can and does influence the first generation citizen.
Obama did not have to be "naturalized". He was a US citizen from the day of his birth.
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Old 04-30-2012, 09:50 AM
 
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Natural Born
vs.
Naturalized

Two different things here. Yes, if in fact Obama was born on US soil, he is a naturalized citizen, but not a natural born citizen, based on his parents alliance to another nation, that can and does influence the first generation citizen.
Yes. He was actually naturalized at birth making him a native citizen by virtue the 14th Amendment which defines just a Citizen. He is not a Constitutional Article 2 Section 1 natural born Citizen born with sole allegiance to the U.S. but rather just a citizen.
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Old 04-30-2012, 09:56 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Yes. He was actually naturalized at birth making him a native citizen by virtue the 14th Amendment which defines just a Citizen. He is not a Constitutional Article 2 Section 1 natural born Citizen born with sole allegiance to the U.S. but rather just a citizen.


That is what I'm seeing, too.
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Natural Born
vs.
Naturalized

Two different things here.
Too bad you have no idea what that difference is.

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Yes, if in fact Obama was born on US soil, he is a naturalized citizen, but not a natural born citizen, based on his parents alliance to another nation, that can and does influence the first generation citizen.
See? Told ya!

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Old 04-30-2012, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Yes. He was actually naturalized at birth making him a native citizen by virtue the 14th Amendment which defines just a Citizen. He is not a Constitutional Article 2 Section 1 natural born Citizen born with sole allegiance to the U.S. but rather just a citizen.
There is no such thing as "naturalized at birth."
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:01 AM
 
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Yes. He was actually naturalized at birth making him a native citizen by virtue the 14th Amendment which defines just a Citizen. He is not a Constitutional Article 2 Section 1 natural born Citizen born with sole allegiance to the U.S. but rather just a citizen.
What part of "The Constitution does not define the phrase natural-born citizen" don't you understand?
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:04 AM
 
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What's the difference between a citizen and a natural born citizen?
your asking what's the difference between a vehicle and a car.

"citizen" encompasses both "natuaral born" and "naturalized".
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