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Rather than start a discussion about the system I would like to know who thinks are tax system as it is actually works well.
My answer is a simple no. I do not know how to set this as a poll but would be happy if someone set it up as a poll
I am unaware of anybody claiming it works. The issue isn't that but to find ways to address the problems.
The biggest problem is how it is spent.......ummm.....overspent.
Again true, but if you want tax reform then you need to start with your income before trying to do a budget. That said, there is still plenty of waste that could be dealt with, we could save Billions right off the bt by simply stopping the money flow to the rest of the world. It is ridiculous to talk about cutting funding to social programs for Americans that need it while sending Billions to other countries around the globe, especialy when one realizes half of them are not even friends of ours.
I am unaware of anybody claiming it works. The issue isn't that but to find ways to address the problems.
The problem is that we keep feeding the monster and the monster keeps growing bigger, and it's eating us alive.
10% flat tax for everybody, the gov't will just have to learn to exist on that, and the people will prosper. That's the way it's supposed to be. Why do we think the gov't can spend our money better than we can? Charities will flourish, wars will become to expensive.
The current tax system is insane. We should never have allowed them to tax our labor to begin with.
Last time we went to the dump, we paid a new tax, called a fuel surcharge. What the hell is that? We already paid tax on our fuel, several of them.
I did wish to see if someone did think it worked.
So do you tweek the current system in hopes it will work or throw out the system and start over?
Either way, the issue will be in our approach to addressing the problem. You're into radicalization, I am not. You're into regressive ideas, I'm into progressive (which we could use more of).
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The problem is that we keep feeding the monster and the monster keeps growing bigger, and it's eating us alive...
Either way, the issue will be in our approach to addressing the problem. You're into radicalization, I am not. You're into regressive ideas, I'm into progressive (which we could use more of).
Different issue.
Please notice i did not attempt to name a program in this thread.
I simply asked if it is best to change the system entirely or tweak what we have.
Your reply is either way.
I do not see tweaking the system as an effective way to solve the problems. If congress could first decide if they want to tweak what we have or change the system we could then have a starting point on a bipartisan tax system.
My point is i do not think arguing what system we use or the merits of flat versus fair or flat versus progressive tax rally will lead us anywhere .To me the first step would to be agree to tweek or change. Then a true discussion of how it can happen
Rather than start a discussion about the system I would like to know who thinks are tax system as it is actually works well.
My answer is a simple no. I do not know how to set this as a poll but would be happy if someone set it up as a poll
The tax code is written to manipulate economic behavior, or when Democrats are in power it is for distrubution of wealth toward their unions and others who vote for them.
Rather than start a discussion about the system I would like to know who thinks are tax system as it is actually works well.
My answer is a simple no. I do not know how to set this as a poll but would be happy if someone set it up as a poll
I think the politicians think our tax system works well, since it empowers them.
Please notice i did not attempt to name a program in this thread.
I simply asked if it is best to change the system entirely or tweak what we have.
Your reply is either way.
I do not see tweaking the system as an effective way to solve the problems. If congress could first decide if they want to tweak what we have or change the system we could then have a starting point on a bipartisan tax system.
My point is i do not think arguing what system we use or the merits of flat versus fair or flat versus progressive tax rally will lead us anywhere .To me the first step would to be agree to tweek or change. Then a true discussion of how it can happen
That is true. But I know where you will be going. No? That is what I based my opinion off. I'm glad though that you're open to conversation, a rare thing to see in this forum.
And speaking of the first step, as I said, I have yet to see someone claim everything is fine that status quo is necessary. Where it gets stuck, however, is where I would rather move on to.
That is true. But I know where you will be going. No? That is what I based my opinion off. I'm glad though that you're open to conversation, a rare thing to see in this forum.
And speaking of the first step, as I said, I have yet to see someone claim everything is fine that status quo is necessary. Where it gets stuck, however, is where I would rather move on to.
My goal here is to first decide to tweak or change. If we agree to tweak lets then talk about what tweaks and see if there is a middle ground.
I am very intrigued to see if we could come up with some middle ground ideas that could be used as a starting point.
We agree its not working now
That said i will have to answer you much later as I am involved in a baseball tnm and now have to get back to it
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