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Old 05-08-2012, 08:54 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Cletus Awreetus-Awrightus View Post


So what's your theory ? Are you suggesting that Native Americans are their own race or species, developed in the Americas, independently of Africans/Asians/Europeans ?
No I am not stating that.. I'm saying I don't know...there is too much conflicting data and theories. It's all conjectural.

Look

Native American Y Chromosomes in Polynesia: The Genetic Impact of the Polynesian Slave Trade

there's a link to natives being of Polynesian descent.

Also, you have to take into account the margin of error that is inherent with anthropology...You cannot directly observe these things. Don't get my sentiment twisted either... I am no Creationist.
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:58 AM
 
Location: NYC
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The UN has no right interfering in the internal affairs of the United States.

I say we evict the UN from Manhattan. Ok, well return the land alright .... starting with the UN headquarters.
that land was privately owned, and then donated to the US GOVERNMENT which in turn gave it to the UN.

The US GOVERNMENT owns the UN.

People here are funny...
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Do we have to give back the land to the Indians, that the U.N. building is on?

Now there is a great idea. Just tell the U.N. folks "Sorry you all have to vacate the building as its now being turned into a Native American casino."

That's the best idea I've heard in years.

The US should exit the UN and let them do whatever they choose to do.

The UN is totally irrelevant.
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:03 AM
 
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The question is what timeframe shall we use to prove ownership?

Go back 100,000 years and everybody reading this will likely have their lineage converge.

Now if you would all kindly get off my planet it would be appreciated.
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:08 AM
 
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What if the UN sent troops here to enforce their will?
Sound familiar?
If they enforce like they enforce everywhere else they've been involved in we have nothing to fear...
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:09 AM
 
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The question is what timeframe shall we use to prove ownership?

Go back 100,000 years and everybody reading this will likely have their lineage converge.

Now if you would all kindly get off my planet it would be appreciated.
That's kinda what I'm saying --

if you look at the dictionary definition of "Indigenous", it says:

Originating or occurring naturally in a particular place; native

if you look at the politically-correct-UN-bureaucrat definition of "Indigenous", it says:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples
Indigenous populations are composed of the existing descendants of the peoples who inhabited the present territory of a country wholly or partially at the time when persons of a different culture or ethnic origin arrived there from other parts of the world, overcame them, by conquest, settlement or other means, reduced them to a non-dominant or colonial condition; who today live more in conformity with their particular social, economic and cultural customs and traditions than with the institutions of the country of which they now form part, under a state structure which incorporates mainly national, social and cultural characteristics of other segments of the population which are predominant.

Which, to me, looks like the sort of convoluted, politically-motivated bullsh*t I expect from the UN, to go around redefining words as they see fit.
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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The question is what timeframe shall we use to prove ownership?

Go back 100,000 years and everybody reading this will likely have their lineage converge.

Now if you would all kindly get off my planet it would be appreciated.
I would guess that every square foot of land on this earth belonged to somebody else at some time in the past and almost all of it has changed hands by war, theft or fraud. The fact that 2000 years ago somebody's ancestors owned some land is irrelevant.

Fortunately or unfortunately we are where we are and there should be no effort to restore land to anybody due to events that happened more than 20 or 30 years ago.
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Arkansas
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Well, after we carved a bunch of leering, European faces to stare at them for all eternity, I doubt that they'd want it back.
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:16 AM
 
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Let's return everyones house to their indigenous owner due to the subprime lending and bank fraud fiasco...
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:19 AM
 
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No I am not stating that.. I'm saying I don't know...there is too much conflicting data and theories. It's all conjectural.

Look

Native American Y Chromosomes in Polynesia: The Genetic Impact of the Polynesian Slave Trade

there's a link to natives being of Polynesian descent.
Ok, for the sake of argument let's say you're right, that "Native Americans" are of polynesian descent.

Polynesians aren't indigenous to the Americas, either, so my point stands that there are no indigenous Americans.
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