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Old 05-15-2012, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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Why should I allow you to dictate what source I use?
You wouldn't if you could argue your case without siting some religious source...which I know you can't. Which proves my point that all arguments against same-sex marriage stems from a religious source.

If you could have argued why same-sex couples could not get married in a strict secular meaning, then do so; however, seeing as you can't you're doing the next best thing - spouting bigotry and ignorance.

 
Old 05-15-2012, 04:11 PM
 
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The difference is that you cannot assume a gay couple will adopt any children, either knowingly or unknowingly.

On the other hand, we can assume that a married man and a woman can have a baby, even if they were not planning on doing so.
What a patently absurd assumption. What if the man had a vasectomy? He has as much chance of having a baby naturally as the gay couple.
 
Old 05-15-2012, 04:15 PM
 
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So no civil unions in NC either? What about NC laws that allow same-sex couples to adopt children?
Civil Unions are now illegal in NC for both gays and straights.
 
Old 05-15-2012, 04:16 PM
 
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Which is bad for the nation.

It may be incidental, but it seems the more people push for gay marriage, and the more some of their proponents trash traditional marriage, the fewer young people who view the importance of marriage.
Or maybe they see all these Conservatives with 4 wives, or 72 hour marriages, while hypocritically claiming it's a sanctified institution, and they realize it's a total load of hogwash junk.
 
Old 05-15-2012, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Sure. Children deserve to be born into a loving home with committed married parents regardless of gender. Gay marriage will have no effect on children. You are doing all that you can to justify your prejudice.
The only motive behind homosexuals being allowed to adopt children is to legitamize homosexual relationships and sex. No one in their right mind can actually believe that a gay "family" is superior to a household with a mother and a father for the purpose of raising children. Yet, we have the lives of children being treated like sets of dice - and we are allowing homosexuals to adopt children when there are heterosexual couples willing and able to adopt - just so we can satisfy the selfish desires of the gay agenda to be seen as legitamate. It is pathetic.
 
Old 05-15-2012, 04:18 PM
 
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That is ignorant, to allow people to adopt, and then hamper their ability to best raise that child.
Welcome to the religiously conservative South. That's kind of the point of this whole thread. They passed an Amendment banning any type of union other than one man/one woman marriage, in an attempt to make gay marriage permanently illegal, even though it was already illegal, which in the end will only hurt heterosexual couples and their children who now are not legally protected.
 
Old 05-15-2012, 04:20 PM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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So again, why can't same sex couples get married and why is it that this definition of marriage you're so fond of is only between a man and woman?

oh and do so without quoting the bible or any other religious source.
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Why should I allow you to dictate what source I use?
The Bible is my source. It is God's law, it's what I believe. I need nothing else.
Marraige is a Covenant with God, Man, and Woman. There is no debate, for me.
 
Old 05-15-2012, 04:21 PM
 
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The definition of marriage is the union of a man and a woman.
Where did that definition come from that it makes it relevant to a secular society? Can you tell me who made you the arbiter of English definitions?
 
Old 05-15-2012, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Who is this phantom "the rest of us," and how would your tax dollars be involved? I am a straight female taxpayer, and I'm not concerned with these things - so please don't speak for all of us, mkay? Furthermore, I hope you realize that gay people are more often in the higher tax brackets, have more disposable income, and overall have higher salaries and less government dependence compared to the straight community. So if anything, they should be telling us whether or not we can marry... I mean, since you think paying taxes gives you the right to dictate what other people do with their lives and all.



None of the above is your business, nor is it relevant to the legalities of being a married couple... double standard much?
so give money to the gay men's club for all I care, just dont expect me to. The "us" is in the collective, as in the taxpayers who do not wish to subsidize them.

I'm not dictating to anyone, they can already get married in private, but now they want the "rest of us" to endorse it for them. so now it becomes my business, since they will also be subsidized by the "rest of us".
 
Old 05-15-2012, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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You wouldn't if you could argue your case without siting some religious source...which I know you can't. Which proves my point that all arguments against same-sex marriage stems from a religious source.

If you could have argued why same-sex couples could not get married in a strict secular meaning, then do so; however, seeing as you can't you're doing the next best thing - spouting bigotry and ignorance.
You didn't answer my question. I have answered yours using non-religious sources many times in this thread - I don't feel like repeating myself now - because it is clear that no matter what I say - it will not change your mind - because your mind is closed. Go back and read so of my early posts - I made some pretty good arguments without using religious ideas.
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