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Old 05-15-2012, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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Would you support non-recognition of marriage by government entities? I would - it would end the controversy over same-sex marriages.
What exactly are you talking about here? I'll need you to clarify so I'm better able to understand what you're asking.

 
Old 05-15-2012, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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What exactly are you talking about here? I'll need you to clarify so I'm better able to understand what you're asking.
I am talking about marriage being recognized only as a civil contract without any special benefits attached to the contract that the gay marriage people always say they are being denied. Anyone could sign a paper saying that they will commit to each other - and it will be enforceable by the courts. That is it - no special benefits or "rights" to promote marriage - just recognition that a condition of contract exists.

Also - government would not be required to call such a contract marriage - it will just be a civil union. People could call their relationship whatever they want - but government would need to be neutral and stick with contract terminology.
 
Old 05-15-2012, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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I am talking about marriage being recognized only as a civil contract without any special benefits attached to the contract that the gay marriage people always say they are being denied. Anyone could sign a paper saying that they will commit to each other - and it will be enforceable by the courts. That is it - no special benefits or "rights" to promote marriage - just recognition that a condition of contract exists.

Also - government would not be required to call such a contract marriage - it will just be a civil union. People could call their relationship whatever they want - but government would need to be neutral and stick with contract terminology.
That's just the same as saying 'separate but equal'

No - afford the rights, benefits, and opportunities to all under the US Constitution. That's it - be they homosexual or straight.
 
Old 05-15-2012, 05:43 PM
 
Location: WA
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Originally Posted by Harrier View Post
I am talking about marriage being recognized only as a civil contract without any special benefits attached to the contract that the gay marriage people always say they are being denied. Anyone could sign a paper saying that they will commit to each other - and it will be enforceable by the courts. That is it - no special benefits or "rights" to promote marriage - just recognition that a condition of contract exists.

Also - government would not be required to call such a contract marriage - it will just be a civil union. People could call their relationship whatever they want - but government would need to be neutral and stick with contract terminology.
I'd be perfectly fine with this. Civil unions for everyone. I don't even need the tax break or the car insurance benefits.

(I do think its kinda unfair: I didn't suddenly start driving better once I got married)
 
Old 05-15-2012, 05:50 PM
 
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Gay folks: Let's get rid of marriage licenses and all the intrusion of the state in marriage altogether. whether straight or gay!
 
Old 05-15-2012, 05:51 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Enough boomers will be dead in the next 10 years that this won't be an issue anymore.
The same thing that passed civil rights in this country half a century ago is what will pass this

Old people dying.
 
Old 05-15-2012, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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That's just the same as saying 'separate but equal'

No - afford the rights, benefits, and opportunities to all under the US Constitution. That's it - be they homosexual or straight.
See, you prove my argument that it isn't about civil rights - but making homosexual relationships and homosexual sex "legitimate. I offer a fair compromise and you reject it. There is no reason to not agree with my idea unless there is a deeper motivation for wanting what amounts to a word describing a contractural relationship. The fact is - marriage is special - and gay people want the recognition of their chosen lifestyle that being called married would provide. If it was really about rights - then there would be no problem with my solution.
 
Old 05-15-2012, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Gay folks: Let's get rid of marriage licenses and all the intrusion of the state in marriage altogether. whether straight or gay!
 
Old 05-15-2012, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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See, you prove my argument that it isn't about civil rights - but making homosexual relationships and homosexual sex "legitimate. I offer a fair compromise and you reject it. There is no reason to not agree with my idea unless there is a deeper motivation for wanting what amounts to a word describing a contractural relationship. The fact is - marriage is special - and gay people want the recognition of their chosen lifestyle that being called married would provide. If it was really about rights - then there would be no problem with my solution.
Doesn't prove anything. If that were the case then why are straight civil unions not provided the same benefits and rights as married couples are?

Your solution wouldn't work, not in a thousand years.

Try again.
 
Old 05-15-2012, 05:58 PM
 
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Gay folks: Let's get rid of marriage licenses and all the intrusion of the state in marriage altogether. whether straight or gay!
Sure, whatever. But until then gay couples should have equal access to civil marriage law.
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