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Originally Posted by JasonF
But how do you decide what constitutes "fair"?
+++ It needs to be asked on a case by case basis.
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Originally Posted by JasonF
Many on the right think it's perfectly "fair" that gays are denied equal rights
+++ Obviously there is nothing fair about any particular group of citizens not having the same civil and legal rights as everyone else.
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Originally Posted by JasonF
(it's been particularly hilarious watching the bigots try to argue this on the news shows this week),
+++ Perhaps you're watching the wrong "news" shows?
The news doesn't give you its opinion, it just tells you what's going on in the world. If you're watching the American infotainment channels, you should immediately cease watching them as it's robbing you of time and knowledge and pumping your head full of propaganda.
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Originally Posted by JasonF
or that rich people pay lower taxes than the middle class.
+++ I don't think this is fair. But truthfully, I support a major, major, major overhaul when it comes to salaries and wages. The playing field needs to be leveled. Big time.
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Originally Posted by JasonF
Some on the left thinks it's perfectly "fair" that someone who chooses to be a lazy bum can get free healthcare, free housing, free food, etc.
+++ If it were truly free, perhaps I'd agree with them. The fact is that healthcare isn't free. Even when you check into the E.R. under John Doe and give them a bogus address, someone else is paying for those services.
So number one, it's not fair to make everyone else pay a lot more in our current for-profit diseasecare system. But overall, I believe that profit should be removed out of the healthcare system completely. And it would only be fair if everyone had the same access to it regardless of employment status.
It's like the fire department. Everyone pays into the pot. Some people end up needing it, the lucky ones don't. Like the fire department, it's an essential service. But everyone will eventually need it at some point so the concept of insurance doesn't work. It doesn't make any sense to make it any more expensive than it has to be. Likewise, I think the whole welfare system needs to be overhauled from the ground up.
But I don't want to break the rules and debate these other subjects. I'm just demonstrating what I think is fair as it relates to my political views and what shaped them.
Is it environment? Family history? Experiences, particularly early in life? Schooling? Religion (or lack thereof)? Culture?
I think it's some combination of the above.
It is a combination, probably family history and life experiences shape our views the most, plus maturity. I don't think early in life experiences have much to do wiht our political views. Personally, I have become more liberal in some ways and more conservative as years have gone by, partly because of life experiences, partly becuase of my husbands influence, and somewhat views I got from my family, especially my father.
i agree, i think it all comes down to intelligence and being able to think for yourself.
Both strong traits of right leaning people, and lacking in those to the left.
Case in point. This post above. Poster cannot escape the limitations of her (i'm not making this up) reptilian area of her brain.
I only had to read only the first sentence. She claims the media has "liberal bias"
Someone dominated by more higher brain functions would simply go to an objective report that shows that Sunday talk shows, talk radio, Cable news, Newspapers, produce much more commentary from right wing pundits and GOP congressman. it's not even close.
Facts can't penetrate her beliefs. The area of the brain that deals with conflicting stimuli too small, area that deals with fear and disgust, too large.
I rest my case.
what a crock of you know what: the only cable network tat leans anyway but left is FOX and they have their share of liberal contributors. The three networks, are all liberal or liberal leaning, programs like 60 min are a joke. for the mostpart, the major newspapers are left or middle of the road with the exception of the WSJ and it is middle to right. How about the news magazines? The only one I can think of that is even 1/2 way middle is The Week and I imagine most on here have never even seen it.Oh, I did forget the Weekly Standard. Other than those I have listed the MSM is far to the left. Add to that, influence today, more than ever by educators, especially college. There was a time an instructor would not be permitted to voice his/her political opinion.
I agree, I think it all comes down to intelligence and being able to think for yourself.
Both strong traits of left leaning people, and lacking in those to the right.
OMG, I can't believe you really said that!!!! Thinking for oneself of course in important, but his goes for all aspects of life, not just right or left, rich or poor, educated, uneducated, formally, that is, urban versus rural.
If what you say has any bases, I suppose any professor, teaching that might be to the right should not be allowed to teach cause they are not intelligent, this goes for all the doctors opposed to Obamacare or engineers with masters and PHDs, they are not intelligent. Is that what you are saying? How about the family who care to American a generation or so ago, not formally educated but has made a success by working hard in their small business. Are these people, if they are Republicans all less intelligent than the Democrats?
Didn't expect to see that proof coming did ya? More squeal and squirm from the right which is always entertaining
Why don't you actually read the article, and the sources they use to the psychological research groups that conducted the study.
Though it doesn't take a genius to see having low intelligence, and being a right winger go hand in hand.
sorry, it came from the most liberal publication there is: the Huffington Post. HP makes the National Inquirer look legit..and right leaning.No, you didn't provide proof...There is no proof either way. They are too many variables.
Didn't expect to see that proof coming did ya? More squeal and squirm from the right which is always entertaining
Why don't you actually read the article, and the sources they use to the psychological research groups that conducted the study.
Though it doesn't take a genius to see having low intelligence, and being a right winger go hand in hand.
If you call that nonsense 'proof', there's no hope.
I think there is that there is something to the brain-type idea, but not the absurd, self-serving junk science cited by lefty posters. Gotta figure that the theory has gone haywire, when one of the brighter, more intelligent posters we have is said to be incapable of " escape the limitations of her (i'm not making this up) reptilian area of her brain." (lol, talk about projection).
A pet theory of mine is that some people are good with math and logic. They tend to be conservatives. Most engineers, accountants, and economists I've know have leaned right. Other people are good with words and images. Great artists, writers, and musicians usually lean left.
Interest (as in 'interest group') is of course a huge factor, maybe the biggest of all. If you're a business owner paying out mega-taxes you're likely to lean right. If you're a government employee (even a gov't economist or accountant) you're likely lefty. As Upton Sinclair said, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" "
I think it is based on POV and partially how you were raised. My parents, hell my whole family is conservative and so am I. I am young, but I don't think I'll ever change. I enjoying have the opinions and beliefs that I do.
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Originally Posted by mackinac81
Great question. My students and I were discussing this exact topic this week. I think it's a mix depending on the person. In my case I was brought up conservative, But didn't become liberal until I got out in the real world and saw just how hard it was for people who played by the rules to make a decent living. And my religious convictions helped me shed my contempt for the less fortunate, which also led me further from conservatism. But due to my upbringing, I still have a few conservative views left, and likely always will.
Why did you have contempt for the less fortunate, if you don't mind me asking?
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Originally Posted by cittic10
Can't speak for everyone but for me it is this ^^^ and only this ^^^.
When I was young, all I kept hearing is it has to be fair. Unfair is no good. Fairness is key.
It really shaped who I am today politically and how I view things. They're either fair or they aren't. And unfair = wrong.
So you agree with socialism?
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Originally Posted by Oldglory
It isn't proof because HP hates conservatives and would only post articles and research studies that agree with their agenda.
You might want to seek help for your own hatred. Can't you debate without totally demonizing an entire group of people (your fellow Americans)? You must really feel threatened by them to make such stereotyping remarks. I don't like liberals but I would never stoop so low as to say they all have low intelligence and the other nasty insults you have made. I just find that many if not most liberals deal in emotion rather than logic.
That poster is his/her own definition of a right winger.
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