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So you folks who hate those who climb the corporate ladder:
How many jobs have YOU created lately?
You all must have had some really bad bosses, lol.
Is not this what the article claimed?
That sociopaths were approximately 1% of the US population, but
they are about 10% of the corporate population.
I've had bosses who would pick certain employees out and bully them. Nobody wanted to be in the firing line of the boss, so they just let it happen. The boss was a tech whiz and his manager thought he could not do without him (because that boss did not reach his position for brains, but for kissing you know what).
I have seen a boss throw an idea out to the group (an idea which had problems). Everyone said it was great - the response was expected, if you expected to be in his good graces. He then did not implement the idea himself but assigned it to an underling - who would be blamed if the idea blew up, while the boss would take credit if it succeeded.
I had a boss who would take each of his managers, as if in confidence separately, praising the guy and asking him to keep an eye on the manager next to him and report back any errors the guy made. This way, he could have dirt on all his underlings when review time came about.
Yeah. Corporations are breeding grounds for sociopaths. They tend to be the ones who get ahead in corporate life because nothing is sacred to them but themselves. They will sacrifice anything.
These are all major consumer oriented corporations which would be immediately recognized by almost each one of us.
Sociopaths are also found in good numbers in politics, as well.
Made me recall the interview done on "Snakes in Suits".
and then I found the article in the OP.
tie it all together with 170 years worth of SCOTUS rulings. we could argue all day. i'm not making an argument for against the whole 1% issue.
the point of the "discussion" is about corporations, their role in society, how our courts now deem them to be "people" for all intents and purposes, and yet, the laws are different for corporations and the boards/executives who run them than they for "real" people.
simple fix to that, just make the shareholders, board members and top executives of any publicly traded company responsible for the mess the "corporation" makes instead of the taxpayers.
but to answer your question directly, those of us in the lower 97% are the entrepreneurs who create the most jobs, not the top 3% or corporations.
i also use 97% because 97% of tax filers have an AGI of <$250k but that's a whole nother discussion
I often wonder how and why Jerry Falwell's so-called "moral majority" managed to entrench itself into what was once the Republican party. The party is now RINO only. Of course I've also wondered how so many who claim to be atheists could attach themselves to the party that constantly preaches socialistic and moralistic dogma. This whole world is back-asswards.
The bible teaches certain values that are against the selfishness of the capitalist ideal.
There is no dogma or atheist propaganda that teaches against ethical standards. Atheists are often referred to as 'humanists'.
Wicki: Secular humanism is a secular ideology which espouses reason, ethics, and justice, whilst specifically rejecting supernatural and religiousdogma as a basis of morality and decision-making.
We might or might not espouse socialist concepts, like helping the poor and needy, but there is no dichotomy between that idea and atheism.
So you're saying, then, that they grow into their psychosis as they advance? That the corporations are breeding them rather than them having been born that way?
That could be. People do tend to get big heads as they move up. I don't call that psychosis, though. I just call it a crappy boss who has gotten too big for his britches.
If people break the law - arrest them. Don't make government so big and powerful that people can buy their way out of trouble and therefore be above the law.
Haven't read the article yet...
Recall that the SCOTUS has granted corporations pretty much all the same rights as an individual person but they are held to a different standard of law.
Whom do you arrest when a corporation or financial institution does....????
Corporations and those who run them buy their way out of trouble more often than an individual and yes this is a blanket statement open for reproach.
psychopaths: indifferent to others, incapable of guilt, exclusively devoted to their own interests.
How can the support of unfettered capitalism be supported by religion?
How unthinking is the Christian population that they can disregard their own bible so easily?
How totally unscrupulous are those who lead them in this direction?
1st question - don't know but some faiths inextricably link their faith to economic output.
2nd question - most people don't think, that's the problem, and in faith issues people rely upon the laity (each other) to teach other about their faith. remember people with to much education are derided as ivory tower academics not in touch with real world issues. who cares if they speak several dead languages and have spent their career researching ancient biblical texts and history, they've got nothing on the mega-church leaders raking in their dough
3rd question - oh just look up the stories of the fallen angels leading their flocks who ask forgiveness and are accepted back. repeat answer 2
The bible teaches certain values that are against the selfishness of the capitalist ideal.
There is no dogma or atheist propaganda that teaches against ethical standards. Atheists are often referred to as 'humanists'.
Wicki: Secular humanism is a secular ideology which espouses reason, ethics, and justice, whilst specifically rejecting supernatural and religiousdogma as a basis of morality and decision-making.
We might or might not espouse socialist concepts, like helping the poor and needy, but there is no dichotomy between that idea and atheism.
Uhm.. I was referring to democrats.
For the record, I was educated in Catholic schools. I have been an atheist, and a capitalist for my entire adult life. Most atheist wannabes are people espousing the socialist doctrines and dogma so common to the democratic party. If one is really an atheist, exactly how can one claim to hold moral concepts? It's a little intellectually dishonest don't you think?
I personally think most who call themselves atheist are simply disenchanted with one form of mystical nonsense and desperately searching for some other spiritual dogma that is happily supplied by the democrats. I mean seriously, if you are cognitive and mature enough to accept that there is no such thing as right or wrong, how can you readily accept the exact same moralistic nonsense fed by democrats? Democrats and Republicans are nothing more than two different factions of equally disturbed religious fanatics but at least the bible thumpers actually realize they are in a religion so I must give them the slight edge.
It's religion that names the nihilistic realist a psychopath.
so it's been a few weeks since my last post, thread, etc
i've been reading about sociopaths/psychopaths. interesting stuff. it ties into an awesome interview I heard with Paul Babiak, author of "Snakes in Suits".
A premise of the book is that top executives and wall streeters exhibit many psychopathic traits.
how does this relate to corporations, well this author summed it up nicely from a past documentary movie that asked the question: if corporations are people, then what kind of person is the corporation?
Answer - A psycopath.
There's a lot in the article that will make many conservatives or true believers in capitalism upset but that's par for the course if you challenge the basic tenets of capitalism.
If corporations are people, they should pay taxes, just like people do.
If corporations are people, they should pay taxes, just like people do.
What makes you think they don't?
Every time I hear a comment like this I have to wonder exactly what is being taught in public schools. I've been told they stopped teaching general business and basic economics in public schools over 40 years ago and it certainly is evident.
Corporate tax rates in the US are the highest in the free world. Corporations pay the bulk of all taxes paid. If the government was relying on only the taxes of the poor underprivileged and downtrodden worker class then revenues would be less than 100 million a year. That would fuel the government behemoth for about 10 minutes. Where do you suppose the rest of the money comes from?
Beside that, if you really have issue with corporations then you need to talk to the folks running your state because corps are governed and registered by the states. There are reasons there are more Delaware corporations than people (taxes). There are also advantages for individuals who live in California to incorporate in Nevada (nothing to do with taxes).
Corporations aren't people, and I disagree with the Supreme courts opinion on the matter. It was a ludicrous ruling.
The owners of said corporation have a vote, and that vote, is their personhood.
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